ScotsSkier

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Need a bunch of space for the 30s.
I find the 182-85 (25-27m) “FIS” skis a pile of fun. Don’t care for the masters versions as they are a bit too soft, I still opt for the full blown race versions (just in shorter spec)
yes, several of my athletes who had gone to the masters skis have switched back to the 182-186 25-27m "FIS" (or" tweener" ) skis with positive results, finding them quicker edge to edge, more responsive and as a result faster. My concern with most of the Masters skis is that the wider waist, among other things, sort of "dumbs them down" compared to a proper race ski and they end up being slower. My personal viewpoint is that the Masters ski from most brands is more oriented towards free-skiing on a race-type ski rather than being suited for a Masters course. There are of course some exceptions to this.

I must be a bit of an odd-ball as well though, I haven't felt compromised for space or constrained using a 30m ski as an everyday coaching/free ski. In fact for a lot of this season when we were getting low snow I was on an "expendable" 190/35m GS ski...:huh: Maybe partly the difference between east and West ?
 
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Yeah, I don’t get the bigger waist on the masters ski never liked them on a proper surface. As a frontside free ski perhaps but I still prefer a proper race ski.

As for the 30ms, for sure it depends on terrain. Our main hill is very race focussed so b-net everywhere and a bunch of runs one could even take their SG skis for laps with no real issue (those particular runs are steep, and very icy so joe public doesn’t venture onto them). However skiing mid down to the base is like frogger.

I do like the women’s FIS ski (the men’s is a bit more of a handful and frankly I’d jump on the SG instead) but for everyday usage the slightly smaller radius covers a lot of range.
 

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Here in Ontario, the problem is the size of the hill and the crowds. The biggest hill for most of the general public is Blue Mountain Collingwood, which boasts a vertical drop of 720 feet, and none of the trails are what I would call steep. On a good day, when runs are empty due to freezing rain, but still not closed, if you straight-line their steepest runs in a good tuck you might see 65 mph. With my old SGs I could get in three high-g turns, once up to speed and that was it.
 

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Could be, but realistically there's absolutely no need to have super thin edges for GS/SL skis. It won't make any difference in speed.
I wish @Augment Skis would listen to this. (Note he works around the wcup) It would be a good reason to buy their skis. Otherwise, there’s only so much reason to buy a better mouse trap when your catching mice with the ones you always get.

My personal viewpoint is that the Masters ski from most brands is more oriented towards free-skiing on a race-type ski rather than being suited for a Masters course. There are of course some exceptions to this.
This is my point on why the tip profile should be round, and not the square type with sidecut up into the curve. Better for free skiing, and the ski isn’t better for Masters anyway. So just make us a better all arounder. With a little tweaking the Rossi Masters gs could be a fabulous frontside ski.
We all use to just ski everything with a gs or slalom ski anyway. Though that was about 20 years ago.

For some reason, I find the Atomic non race skis sort of dead and heavy. I have about 5 days on a 170 S9, and one day on a G9. Neither were fun.
Give me the fis S9 any day. Never tried a current race gs ski.
 
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I wish @Augment Skis would listen to this. (Note he works around the wcup) It would be a good reason to buy their skis. Otherwise, there’s only so much reason to buy a better mouse trap when your catching mice with the ones you always get.


This is my point on why the tip profile should be round, and not the square type with sidecut up into the curve. Better for free skiing, and the ski isn’t better for Masters anyway. So just make us a better all arounder. With a little tweaking the Rossi Masters gs could be a fabulous frontside ski.
We all use to just ski everything with a gs or slalom ski anyway. Though that was about 20 years ago.

For some reason, I find the Atomic non race skis sort of dead and heavy. I have about 5 days on a 170 S9, and one day on a G9. Neither were fun.
Give me the fis S9 any day. Never tried a current race gs ski.
James, can you get me up to speed? I'm not sure what's being asked of us here.
 

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Sounds like he thinks the edges are too thin on SL/GS skis.
I personally don’t find it bad, the ski is worn out before we even get close to using up all the edge (snowglide vs file however) and that’s tuning pretty much every time the ski touches snow.
 

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This Fischer has maybe a couple days on it. Never seen a file, but it was ground at a shop new to be set up like .3base, 4 deg side.
It's barely over 1mm. No way was it 2-2.5mm new.

This is my pet peeve with fis sl race skis. Edges are way too thin. They can blather all they want about speed, but I think it just endures they're dead in one season. These fis sl skis list for over $1k US.
The only exception with normalish width edges I've seen is Stockli, and I don't know if they're all like that. Even Augment pooo pooed the idea of normal thickness edges when questioned here.

The picture makes the edge look even wider. Maybe it's 1.25 mm. I don't have my caliper here to measure.

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Those are pretty thin. Are they very sharp hopefully? I'd have to see it in person, but for €350 prob wouldn't go for it.
HI, I have one pair of Fischer World Cup SL coders as well, they are approx 1.3 mm only as new. You can measure the original edge width taking the measure next to the tip protector (or whatever you call it). There is no tool that can sharpen the edge next to it..
Some FIS skis seem to have somewhat wider edges, for example Rossi SL has quite wide ones.
 
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