Lol, learning a kick turn on the pitch of Downdraft, which must be mid 30's, is...interesting. At least it could be clear sliding.Still remember the first time I saw a kick turn on Downdraft at Killington back in the 70's. Learned how to ski by watching then trying myself.
Did you make people sidestep a lot too? The number of kids who get to an advanced level now and can't side step properly is amazing.Kick turns were part of the beginner lesson when I started teaching 50 years ago. I used to do them regularly Haven't tried one in probably 25 years and I doubt my old joints would be happy attempting one now.
And that was also how we groomed the trails back in the day..How else would you get up the hill? The rope tow was for folks who could stop
I don't know how you can go uphill sideways incorrectly. If you're trying and CAN'T go uphill, most likely the downhill ski is not properly edged and slides away when you try to move.This talk of sidestepping makes me wonder if I do it right. I've never been taught it.
Ah... my questioning was half joking... I couldn't imagine side stepping not working, bit I suppose I could see someone sliding.I don't know how you can go uphill sideways incorrectly. If you're trying and CAN'T go uphill, most likely the downhill ski is not properly edged and slides away when you try to move.
Note, once you know what you're doing, many rules can be violated and still sidestep up just fine. Just like most experienced people can put their skis on facing downhill if it's not steep.This talk of sidestepping makes me wonder if I do it right. I've never been taught it.
Adults do this too. They turn to face uphill, and turn their uphill foot to point uphill, as if they were walking on dry land. Down the hill they slide, backwards. As soon as they lose concentration on side-stepping sideways, that uphill foot turns the ski to point uphill.....Kids get to he top, get impatient and take a V step, weight it, and down to the bottom they go.
Yeah skinning up kick turns are always up hill oriented, as opposed to skiing downhill kick turns. I use kick turns every year at least once or twice. Comes in handy when exploring off piste in steep dicey terrain. Sometimes there's no way to go forward without cliff-ing out and backing up could prove dangerous. A quick kick turn can save your bacon.Never done it, but it seems like they do it opposite. The uphill ski changes direction first, according to this guide. But if it's steep I woild think you'd do downhill?
This is the way I do it too. Planting the downhill tail next to the uphill tip first is easier to teach compared with just reversing the ski and setting the lifted foot down next to the stance foot. Students don't get so confused. I prefer to teach it on a mellow pitch instead of on the flats. The pitch helps to draw the lifted ski down when the student hesitates on the first try..... The sequence is kick the downhill ski up, planting its tail even with the other tip, let it fall pivoting on the tail, as the ski falls pick up the downhill pole and the torso begins the twist towards the opposite direction. ....There is no resultant forward motion, although if you want some you can stop the last ski before parallel, push and skate off.... And because once you get quick at it, there is no time to fall over; kick, swing, step around, done.....
Note, once you know what you're doing, many rules can be violated and still sidestep up just fine. Just like most experienced people can put their skis on facing downhill if it's not steep.
That is until it gets steep and icy. Then side stepping up everything matters. It's actually surprising how steep a small slope you can sidestep up with proper technique and sharp edges.
The biggest issues before they get to the top of what's being sidestepped:
-Flat skis slide downhill. You need something to step off of. That means some edge. That may seem obvious, but watch. Facing uphill can interfere with this.
-You need to be relatively centered fore/aft and skis across the fall line. Often the fall line is not one direction.
- The body faces uphill. One of the biggest mistakes that makes it really hard. This makes it very difficult for the uphill ski to get on little toe edge and form a platform to step to. Facing uphill almost assures the uphill ski will go to big toe side and it will almost always slip. Face sideways or a little downhill.
-Too big a step. Coupled with facing uphill this is a disaster. Small steps will get you there faster, especially when it's steeper.
- Failure to keep skis across the fall line. The biggest problem with this usually happens at the top. Kids get to he top, get impatient and take a V step, weight it, and down to the bottom they go.