Rod9301

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yeah, kick turns are important.
If it's firm, i do a jump turn, but in deep snow that's hard to do.
 

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yeah, kick turns are important.
If it's firm, i do a jump turn, but in deep snow that's hard to do.
Yep! Deep snow is about the only time I use a kick turn.

The rest of the time, it’s just as easy to simply ski backwards with today’s twin tip or tail rockered skis.

I seem to do it more often on cross country skis than alpine skis.

So, it’s a “lost art” probably because it’s more “art” than tools? At least when inbound resort skiing is concerned.
 

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It's pretty hard with AT skis in climbing mode.
Never done it, but it seems like they do it opposite. The uphill ski changes direction first, according to this guide. But if it's steep I woild think you'd do downhill?

 

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@Bob Barnes demonstrated it to me a looooong time ago but I struggled.
I will humbly admit, I have never been successful at completing a kick turn. :doh:


I am inspired to work on it and become proficient.
Maybe @Bob Barnes can come spend time with us the first week of May at Loveland and A-Basin and get me into good form :D
 

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That hurts my knee watching. I used to be able to do them but after an MCL tear, I'm pretty hesitant, at least in one direction!
 

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@Tricia practice with an old set of 200+/- skis to the point you just make it, after that you’ll look like a pro on all the new stuff (plus a couple of extra bruises) :rolleyes:

However the point made that some of these things are fading (but not lost) skills is valid. There are several skills now that aren’t learned until much later (to become a true advanced skier) that used to be a required required staple to be an intermediate skier.

Modern equipment allows most to progress without needing these skills, which provides over confidence and gets you deep into situations where you do need them.

To be near the top (skills wise) you will learn all methods sooner or later, the only only factor that has changed is the when and what sequence.
 

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@Tricia practice with an old set of 200+/- skis to the point you just make it, after that you’ll look like a pro on all the new stuff (plus a couple of extra bruises) :rolleyes:

However the point made that some of these things are fading (but not lost) skills is valid. There are several skills now that aren’t learned until much later (to become a true advanced skier) that used to be a required required staple to be an intermediate skier.

Modern equipment allows most to progress without needing these skills, which provides over confidence and gets you deep into situations where you do need them.

To be near the top (skills wise) you will learn all methods sooner or later, the only only factor that has changed is the when and what sequence.
Yea! Like I can't do tip rolls anymore.....
A great move for getting over to the other side of your poles ;-)
 

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Never done it, but it seems like they do it opposite. The uphill ski changes direction first, according to this guide. But if it's steep I woild think you'd do downhill?

Yeah, if it's steep, you need to do a downhill kick turn (or at least I do), if it's flat enough to do an uphill turn, I don''t see the point of doing a kick turn at all.
 

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The whole Ski Ballet thing really should make a comeback.
It'd be pretty cool what skiers & choreographers could come up with these days, either a as a single event, a pairs event, or a team event.
 

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Yeah, if it's steep, you need to do a downhill kick turn (or at least I do), if it's flat enough to do an uphill turn, I don''t see the point of doing a kick turn at all.
You don't really get an option in an established skin track.
 

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Everyone should know how to do this naturally.Hard to believe there is a special thread on that.
 

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Everyone should know how to do this naturally.Hard to believe there is a special thread on that.
Naturally as in you don't need to be shown/ taught?

Personally I'd never heard of or seen one done until a couple of years ago. And I've never done one myself. (Flexibility and repeated knee issues kind of scare me away from trying.) I think these kinds of threads are useful.
 

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Kick turns on the way down remind me of my mother. That and traversing was her way of getting down when backcountry touring with the family when we were kids. Kick turn-traverse-traverse-traverse-kick turn and repeat until down. If it was steep she would keep the climbing skins on on the way down as well. I remember this as a bit embarrassing when meeting other people, but now I'm just very glad that she did take us out and that we didn't have to just stay in valleys and flats.

My daugther was outskiing her when backcountry touring as a 3.5 year old, so there is more hope for the next generation. Grandma in upper right corner.

MiniSmear said:
For how so long do we have to wait for grandma?
Smear said:
It will take a while, she is up there practicing her kick turns.
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It's pretty hard with AT skis in climbing mode.
My old fritschi bindings had return springs to help with that. No such thing on tech bindings but it helps a bit that the pivot point is not in front of the toes.

Now I got inspired to tech kickturning to the kids. And practice my own uphill kick turns. Thanks :thumb:
 

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Kick turns on the way down remind me of my mother. That and traversing was her way of getting down when backcountry touring with the family when we were kids. Kick turn-traverse-traverse-traverse-kick turn and repeat until down. If it was steep she would keep the climbing skins on on the way down as well. I remember this as a bit embarrassing when meeting other people, but now I'm just very glad that she did take us out and that we didn't have to just stay in valleys and flats.

My daugther was outskiing her when backcountry touring as a 3.5 year old, so there is more hope for the next generation. Grandma in upper right corner.





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My old fritschi bindings had return springs to help with that. No such thing on tech bindings but it helps a bit that the pivot point is not in front of the toes.

Now I got inspired to tech kickturning to the kids. And practice my own uphill kick turns. Thanks :thumb:
One old waxing trick that is very seldom taught these days to back country skiers (which save the use of skins) because of the bee shortage is the use of honey. Spread on bases before going up. Climbs anything and ensures full slow control coming down.

;) :roflmao:

Also used on over confident beginners and should be mandatory on snowboarders. Just for safety, of course.
 

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Yea! Like I can't do tip rolls anymore.....
A great move for getting over to the other side of your poles ;-)
I know, too much refreshment and a tip roll becomes a face plant (though this is one skill that is still actively practiced with or without tip roll)

:crash:
 
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