Right there, you did it again. A stiffer ski with a slower rebound speed does all that - even though it might dissipate less energy per vibration cycle than the softer ski. Damping only tells you how much energy is lost per vibration cycle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damping_ratio
Proving my point yet again. Notice that the ski designers I linked to above do not call that characteristic "damping"
Vibration Damping and Skis
“Vibration damping” has become a popular, often misused, term in many industries including skiing. The most common mistake is ...blog.sandwichtechskis.com
Notice:
and neither do careful ski reviewers. Blister, for example, refer to 'suspension' - with suspension speed, suspension travel and suspension damping being entirely separate quantities.
Yeah plus going into the characteristics of titanium damping. Oy Vey.He said "Titanium"... ")
I personally think that when people talk about chattering on edge, that is not a damping issue with the ski.
You can do even better than 'ear' for the 0-100Hz range just by downloading one of the many NVH accelerometer apps to your phone and clamping it to the ski.
Metal is isotropic meaning that it flexes the same in all directions. Usually this makes skis with metal stiffer in torsion, but you can gain torsional stiffness by other means (core materials and layup, direction of the fibers in the load bearing layers). Likewise, you can alter the metal laminates to change the torsion, i.e., contour mill them into different shapes, slit them, or mill them to varying thicknesses along the length of the layer.Does metal improve torsional rigidity?
How cool is that? I had no idea that was available. I'll be installing that app later today and checking out my skis. Is there a particular app you recommend?
I hear you! This season in Utah is so depressing. My experience has been that untracked soft snow=metal, no metal, don’t care. The rubber meets the road when the snow is no longer untracked. Then I personally prefer a ski that absorbs more of the energy. Titanal helps. YMMV. I will say that last year’s Santa Ana 88 had two sheets of titanal and I LOVED IT. This year’s has one sheet and is not as smooth in crud but is a bit easier to make quick moves on. Compromises.To bring this all back around, I’m still in the same place I was when I started this thread! Looking back at the date it was right around when the resorts in Utah closed. And with the way this year has started I have had no opportunities to get up on a pair of One Oh Somethings in anything resembling soft snow to try them out!
Still trying to match my enforcer 88s with a mid-100. Prospects are: QST 106, enforcer 104, atris, woodsman 108 (or 102?), and curious about the nomad and origin.
Still have no idea on metal or not.
I just need to it snow again to have a reason to demo!
To bring this all back around, I’m still in the same place I was when I started this thread! Looking back at the date it was right around when the resorts in Utah closed. And with the way this year has started I have had no opportunities to get up on a pair of One Oh Somethings in anything resembling soft snow to try them out!
Still trying to match my enforcer 88s with a mid-100. Prospects are: QST 106, enforcer 104, atris, woodsman 108 (or 102?), and curious about the nomad and origin.
Still have no idea on metal or not.
I just need to it snow again to have a reason to demo!
Funny enough, they talk about the little dampeners like the Völkl UVO buttons. I think the work may have been funded by someone trying to sell those buttons.
My point is that a lot of time the seemingly gimmicky stuff that the ski industry comes up with, actually works. And lots of times the average skier can't really articulate what is going on with the ski, only that it works for them.
Love the 88s. I’m coming off a pair of the 93s, which I also loved. Switched to the 88s because I’m spending more time on piste with a 6 and a 4 year old and the 88s are fantastic on trail (not that the 93s weren’t, but the 88s are better).If you enjoy and can handle the enforcer 88, then the enforcer 104 will seem like a breeze and seems like a natural fit.
My wife got a new pair of the Santa Ana 93s this year. She loves them!I hear you! This season in Utah is so depressing. My experience has been that untracked soft snow=metal, no metal, don’t care. The rubber meets the road when the snow is no longer untracked. Then I personally prefer a ski that absorbs more of the energy. Titanal helps. YMMV. I will say that last year’s Santa Ana 88 had two sheets of titanal and I LOVED IT. This year’s has one sheet and is not as smooth in crud but is a bit easier to make quick moves on. Compromises.