I always check your posts since you're my size and a better skier. Last year I demoed a Dynastar Legend 96 that I could easily fit into a four ski quiver.
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3 Ski Quivers. What is your optimal ski selection?
I'm down to a three ski quiver and I plan to keep it that way....plans do change though. 
DPS Alchemist Cassiar 79 in a 167 - I originally bought this because I wanted something shapely and turny without being as demanding as a race ski but I ski it most days in the midwest.
DPS Alchemist Cassiar 94 in a 178 - I bought the Foundation 94 in a 185 last year but wasn't completely happy with it. I felt I went too long. I use it primarily when I don't have my son with me.
DPS Alchemist Wailer 112 RP 184 - Even thought I don't get out west much these days I regretted selling my hybrid 190s. They were brand new in the wrapper for less than the Foundation version so I couldn't pass them up.
DPS Alchemist Cassiar 79 in a 167 - I originally bought this because I wanted something shapely and turny without being as demanding as a race ski but I ski it most days in the midwest.
DPS Alchemist Cassiar 94 in a 178 - I bought the Foundation 94 in a 185 last year but wasn't completely happy with it. I felt I went too long. I use it primarily when I don't have my son with me.
DPS Alchemist Wailer 112 RP 184 - Even thought I don't get out west much these days I regretted selling my hybrid 190s. They were brand new in the wrapper for less than the Foundation version so I couldn't pass them up.
3 skis is the perfect quiver...well, 4 is an even number...5 is a prime number...6 pair is like having two 3 ski quivers....7 is a lucky number...8? ...Well we do make powder 8's. If you are at 9 pair, you might as well make it 10, 11 does look like two skis. 12 makes an even dozen...13 is a Baker's Dozen....
And that my friends is why Trish lets him think he runs this place
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3 ski quiver... how about this quiver from the Vermont house of @KingGrump
I lost count of the number of skis, but I did spot a pair of first gen Volkl Kendos in there.
I lost count of the number of skis, but I did spot a pair of first gen Volkl Kendos in there.
Bracing for impact....
Not many people south of northern Vermont or east of the rockies "need" a >100 powder ski in a three ski quiver. Face facts, by the time you get to the bullwheel after that dump of over a foot it will either be skied out or groomed down to nothing.
My 3 ski quiver is pretty much what I roll with. A 186-192 cm mid to high 80s twin. A shorter twin or SL type carver. A bump ski or cheater GS/NASTAR ski.
I might drop in the park and hit some small to medium jumps. I might run the NASTAR gates if open. Anything up to about a foot of fresh, assuming I'm that lucky is more than manageable on an 85-87 192 cm full camber ski... which can also crush crud chunks.
Not many people south of northern Vermont or east of the rockies "need" a >100 powder ski in a three ski quiver. Face facts, by the time you get to the bullwheel after that dump of over a foot it will either be skied out or groomed down to nothing.
My 3 ski quiver is pretty much what I roll with. A 186-192 cm mid to high 80s twin. A shorter twin or SL type carver. A bump ski or cheater GS/NASTAR ski.
I might drop in the park and hit some small to medium jumps. I might run the NASTAR gates if open. Anything up to about a foot of fresh, assuming I'm that lucky is more than manageable on an 85-87 192 cm full camber ski... which can also crush crud chunks.
Stockli LaserAX
Volkl Mantra M5
Kastle TX 98 (this one may move out to make space for new Volkl Mantra V Werks). Or it may end up as pure touring ski with a skimpy tour binding while the V Werks gets to be a day tour/off piste ski. Binding picture needs to be clarified with these two. So it’s not really 3, but it might be.
Volkl Mantra M5
Kastle TX 98 (this one may move out to make space for new Volkl Mantra V Werks). Or it may end up as pure touring ski with a skimpy tour binding while the V Werks gets to be a day tour/off piste ski. Binding picture needs to be clarified with these two. So it’s not really 3, but it might be.
3 ski quiver for the East:
Blossom 155cm FIS SL...hardpack carving and race clinic
ID One FRX 176 cm (78mm)....hardpack and mixed conditions playtime on and off piste
Renoun Z90 174 cm....do everything ski including Eastern storms
Blossom 155cm FIS SL...hardpack carving and race clinic
ID One FRX 176 cm (78mm)....hardpack and mixed conditions playtime on and off piste
Renoun Z90 174 cm....do everything ski including Eastern storms
East
West
- SL or close cousin (daily driver - firm groomers and the occasional slush bumps orgy)
- 75-95mm ski with manageable flex and easy pivotability, but tuned with aggressive edge bevels for groomers (packed out old or shallow new natural snow surfaces - bumps, trees, afternoon chop)
- > 100mm heavily rockered ski for rare pow days, serious heavy crud, 3D snow in trees
West
- 70-80mm carver for dry spells - short
- 85-100mm daily driver
- > 100mm heavily rockered ski for pow days, serious heavy crud, 3D snow in trees
That is our Vermont boiler plate collection. The western skis are down in the City.
The first gen Kendo is there for Andrew just in case he get blessed with a three foot dump. Those are his powder boards.
Tony - The differences in width between the East and West you posted got me thinking about what I actually use "out West". I think sometimes skiers assume that we just have fantastic conditions everyday, but we have lots of days without new snow.
So I looked at my data from last season and here's how it played out. Note that I'm using the same categories as from my previous post in this thread and I skied 68 days last season.
- Hard-Pack skis = 48%
- Narrow All-Mountain skis = 22%
- Regular All-Mountain skis = 4%
- Wide All-Mountain skis = 20%
- Deep-Snow skis = 6%
So it's interesting (at least to me). I hadn't ever run those calculations before for any season. And last season we had a great snow year.
So far, 25.2% of the skis listed are under 80mm, 41.5% are between 80-100mm, and the remaining 33.3% are skis over 100mm.
Just in case anyone was curious. Or not.
Just in case anyone was curious. Or not.
are we over the notion of a 3 ski quiver yet? 
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Stockli AX- hard snow rippin around groomer days and no new snow days. Can take this anywhere
Liberty V92 my everyday ski , takes me from soft groomers to a several inches fresh, great bump ski anywhere I choose to ski
Liberty Evolv 100- crud ski, several inches of leftover ski, skiing bowls and steeps, 4-8" of fresh (actually much deeper)
Renoun Citadel- Pow ski. after testing some 105's last season, I loved that extra float over the 96 underfoot especially on low angle pow shots . still did not feel sluggish or slow.
Liberty 112- Sick deep, heavy snow
Still haven't decided if keeping- Liberty Origin 96. this was my pow ski all last year and its pretty awesome. May keep this for those 6"-10" days which are frequent here but will need to evaluate the Evolv 100 for fun factor.
.Stockli AX- hard snow rippin around groomer days and no new snow days. Can take this anywhere
Liberty V92 my everyday ski , takes me from soft groomers to a several inches fresh, great bump ski anywhere I choose to ski
Liberty Evolv 100- crud ski, several inches of leftover ski, skiing bowls and steeps, 4-8" of fresh (actually much deeper)
Renoun Citadel- Pow ski. after testing some 105's last season, I loved that extra float over the 96 underfoot especially on low angle pow shots . still did not feel sluggish or slow.
Liberty 112- Sick deep, heavy snow
Still haven't decided if keeping- Liberty Origin 96. this was my pow ski all last year and its pretty awesome. May keep this for those 6"-10" days which are frequent here but will need to evaluate the Evolv 100 for fun factor.
Insane collection of big mountain skis.
WHA??? That looks like the ski inventory count at my ski shop.
Make Model Length Radius Tip Waist Tail
CoreUpt Banger 180 19 131 110 127 For powder/new snow. Use: about 25%
Salomon QST 177 17 128 85 113 For everyday all mountain Use: about 75%
Hart Boss 166 ?? 95 61 95 For moguls. Use: rarely, didn't find moguls last season
Skiing in the pacific NW (mostly Mt Hood)
CoreUpt Banger 180 19 131 110 127 For powder/new snow. Use: about 25%
Salomon QST 177 17 128 85 113 For everyday all mountain Use: about 75%
Hart Boss 166 ?? 95 61 95 For moguls. Use: rarely, didn't find moguls last season
Skiing in the pacific NW (mostly Mt Hood)
You know, there really isn’t any quiver overlap there.
I was not at my most awake last night when I put up my post above. Meant to clarify that I was posting thoughts about the general characteristics of skis that I personally think are useful, east and west. I intentionally did not post my specific skis because I figured that would confuse aspects of ski choice that might be driven by skier size, for example (not of general interest), rather than those driven by environment (which I think is on topic).
Yeah, I absolutely know about low tide in the west. Had my share of those days, especially as someone who pretty much has to plan cross-continental trips way in advance.
The difference, I think, is more about available terrain than about "conditions." Here in New England we have many, many days where skiing ungroomed snow - whether it's bumps or true off-piste - is simply not available*. In other words, groomers are the only game in town. My experience in the west, though admittedly much more limited than yours, is that most days you can ski certain mogul runs or glades if you want to, even if the surface might not be ideal. For this reason, I want to be on a ski that is decent in bumps and trees and in ungroomed snow (even if it's bad ungroomed snow). To me that means something with a softer tip, a more release-friendly tail, and slightly more width than a slalom ski.
I acknowledge that you, as someone who gets to ski good ungroomed terrain a lot, may have a different perspective, and elect to stick to groomers on days when the off-piste is marginal. As a desperate easterner, though, when I go west I'm damned if I'm going to do the same thing I'm forced to do at home all the time.
* Some reasons why off-piste is not available:
Yeah, I absolutely know about low tide in the west. Had my share of those days, especially as someone who pretty much has to plan cross-continental trips way in advance.
The difference, I think, is more about available terrain than about "conditions." Here in New England we have many, many days where skiing ungroomed snow - whether it's bumps or true off-piste - is simply not available*. In other words, groomers are the only game in town. My experience in the west, though admittedly much more limited than yours, is that most days you can ski certain mogul runs or glades if you want to, even if the surface might not be ideal. For this reason, I want to be on a ski that is decent in bumps and trees and in ungroomed snow (even if it's bad ungroomed snow). To me that means something with a softer tip, a more release-friendly tail, and slightly more width than a slalom ski.
I acknowledge that you, as someone who gets to ski good ungroomed terrain a lot, may have a different perspective, and elect to stick to groomers on days when the off-piste is marginal. As a desperate easterner, though, when I go west I'm damned if I'm going to do the same thing I'm forced to do at home all the time.
* Some reasons why off-piste is not available:
- Not enough cover. We get less of it here. (Yes, Josh, I know. Mount Mansfield gets plenty. Not talking about that.)
- Late cover. It just comes later here, due to the Atlantic influence. (Ocean cools much slower than land.)
- Rain. We get a lot of rain. Often. After the rain, it freezes. This typically happens hours (not days) after the rain. Then nothing ungroomed is skiable until the next snowstorm.
- Major thaws and refreezes. Same effect as rain. (In the Rockies you can have a 40 or 45 degree day with no ill effects on the surface. Here, due to the humidity of air and snow, you wake up the next day to a skating rink.)
How does that person ski the ones with no bindings?
Many pairs are new/new to him this year and in the process of deciding what bindings to put on some. Link to the thread as he describes, weighs and tells the story on each pair!
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https://www.tetongravity.com/forums...Quiver-Pic-Rerun-Thread?p=5789446#post5789446
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