Stones for the Toko base bevel WC guide

[hotwinter74]

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Is there anybody who used T4B Hone diamond stones with the Toko base bevel WC guide?

I saw a review that this stone was too thick for the guide. (Toko and Swix)
If these Hone stones are too thick, what should I buy?

DMT 4" whetstone?

 

[PeterMN]

Maybe not the best help.

I had this tool about 20 years ago... back then the dmt stones did fit.

i ended up switching to a beast and then when the beast broke i just went with the svst... been using svst exclusively for just about everything since...

But for sure that is the downside to that tool... a lot of stones will not fit.

Best of luck

pmn

 

[SlideWright]

Hones are 5.8mm thick. Moonflexes are 5.4mm thick.

 

[hotwinter74]

Maybe not the best help.

I had this tool about 20 years ago... back then the dmt stones did fit.

i ended up switching to a beast and then when the beast broke i just went with the svst... been using svst exclusively for just about everything since...

But for sure that is the downside to that tool... a lot of stones will not fit.

Best of luck

pmn

Thanks for sharing your experience.

 

[hotwinter74]

Hones are 5.8mm thick. Moonflexes are 5.4mm thick.

Um, Hones seem too thick for the toko wc guide. Moonflexes must be very close to the maximum. Thank you!

 

[hotwinter74]

After the short study, I have 2 questions.
1. DMT 4" vs Swix eco 100mm
Actual diamond surface of Swix might be 80mm.
2. I saw 2 product codes of the 4" stone. A4F and WS4F with the same "fine" grade. What is different? Just explain aligner and whetstone with same stones?

 

[Noodler]

I can only tell you that DMT stones fit, Moonflex will not.

 

[SlideWright]

I can only tell you that DMT stones fit, Moonflex will not.

I gave up on DMTs eons ago because I thought they did not last nearly as long as Moonflexes or Hones. Do you have a sense of their useful life vs others?

 

[Noodler]

I gave up on DMTs eons ago because I thought they did not last nearly as long as Moonflexes or Hones. Do you have a sense of their useful life vs others?

You are 100% correct. I only use the DMT stones with the base guide (and that's not very often since it's hitting the base edges).

 

[cantunamunch]

I can only tell you that DMT stones fit, Moonflex will not.

I'm surprised you don't have a stick-on diamond paper solution. Get on it, quick.

 

[SlideWright]

I'm surprised you don't have a stick-on diamond paper solution. Get on it, quick.

It could happen. It’d be super easy. I’ve been thinking about that. What is the maximum thickness?

 

[hotwinter74]

It could happen. It’d be super easy. I’ve been thinking about that. What is the maximum thickness?

I have 0.5 and 0.75 toko WC base bevel guide.
I checked the maximum gap of them with the steel ruler, DMT 70mm stone, and thin plastic cards.
It was 5.4mm. (I added a plastic card one by one until it touched the top.)
Practically, 5mm is fine, easy installation.
5.2mm might be the maximum.

By the way, I have 4 70mm DMT stones.
Their thickness was 3.85~4.02mm. (XX-coarse new stone was 4.02mm).

 

[SlideWright]

I have 0.5 and 0.75 toko WC base bevel guide.
I checked the maximum gap of them with the steel ruler, DMT 70mm stone, and thin plastic cards.
It was 5.4mm. (I added a plastic card one by one until it touched the top.)
Practically, 5mm is fine, easy installation.
5.2mm might be the maximum.

By the way, I have 4 70mm DMT stones.
Their thickness was 3.85~4.02mm. (XX-coarse new stone was 4.02mm).

I'm surprised you don't have a stick-on diamond paper solution. Get on it, quick.

Protoype #1: 5.25mm w/replacement strip. The carbon-PETG backing is more flexible than Moonflexes. The real nice T4B cast aluminum backing is rigid:

Tools4Board Replacement strips I have are 80 mm. The newer Hones come in 95mm lengths x 100x (x-coarse), 200x(coarse), 400x(medium), 800x(fine) & 1500x (x-fine).

The SVST replacement strips come in 120 grit, 220 Grit, 400 Grit & 600 Grit x 101mm lengths.

So these would need to be printed w/grits and/or coarseness with typical colors by grit to work for both manufacturers and multiple lengths.......or come up with a generic format with stickers or something.

 

[SlideWright]

What is the width inside of the Toko guide? I’m wondering about pros and cons of going wider than the typical ~25mm Diamond file.

 

[hotwinter74]

What is the width inside of the Toko guide? I’m wondering about pros and cons of going wider than the typical ~25mm Diamond file.

Max. 26mm from end to end. So 25mm stone will be the widest one you can use.

 

[SlideWright]

Max. 26mm from end to end. So 25mm stone will be the widest one you can use.

Thanks! I'm printing some to have around.

 

[hotwinter74]

I received DMT files today.
It is the first time to use long diamond files.
And I'm so disappointed with them.
None of them are flat.
I was able to notice it even with the naked eye.

How about Toko, Swix, T4B, Sidecut, and Moonflex?
Pretty flat? or similar with DMT?

 

[hotwinter74]

Protoype #1: 5.25mm w/replacement strip. The carbon-PETG backing is more flexible than Moonflexes. The real nice T4B cast aluminum backing is rigid:

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Tools4Board Replacement strips I have are 80 mm. The newer Hones come in 95mm lengths x 100x (x-coarse), 200x(coarse), 400x(medium), 800x(fine) & 1500x (x-fine).

The SVST replacement strips come in 120 grit, 220 Grit, 400 Grit & 600 Grit x 101mm lengths.

So these would need to be printed w/grits and/or coarseness with typical colors by grit to work for both manufacturers and multiple lengths.......or come up with a generic format with stickers or something.

Where did you get newer Hones from T4B?
And... SVST replacement strips... how was the quality? Where can I buy them and... how much are they?

 

[James]

Years ago I gave up on Svst diamond strips. I found they’re slightly flexible and don’t make a flat edge but slightly curved. (Only used on side edges.) One tech I talked to called this “mushrooming”.

You’re better off getting a deal on moonflex or whatever. It you must, for diamond strips look to the Japanese stuff from Atoma prob available for knife sharpening jigs. It’s been awhile since I looked but I have their large plates, like 3x8 inches.

 

[SlideWright]

Where did you get newer Hones from T4B?
And... SVST replacement strips... how was the quality? Where can I buy them and... how much are they?

Where did you get newer Hones from T4B?
And... SVST replacement strips... how was the quality? Where can I buy them and... how much are they?

SVST & Tools4Boards (along with Toko & others) are our suppliers. You can order from us, RaceWerks or Tools4Boards. In Japan, Alpine Logic carries some SVST tools and might be able to get them for you.

The Hones are dead flat and well made, but too thick for your guide. You might consider figuring out a way to fashion a Toko 'guide block' like SVST's for their Final Cut to press down on your diamonds. Using a 2nd cut to set geometry and then use your diamonds for final cutting and polishing might be good too.

The Final Cut & T4Bs Switch base bevelers do not have the locking knob and are open for the beveler: