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PSIE...urope (born of PSIC...anada, cousin of PSIA...merica?)

Swiss Toni

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You say Swiss schools are going to offer PSIE as gap courses but it's going to be hard for Brits in the short term. I'm assuming you are talking about employment prospects. How will it be any harder than if they did BASI or IASI courses? Their employment in Europe is limited by their passport! And actually they will be MORE employable as they will have a MORE accepted qualification in the places they can actually work, like Whistler in Canada!

Swiss ski schools, i.e. ski schools that are members of Swiss Snowsports (the umbrella organization for Swiss ski schools and instructors) won’t be offering PSIC/PSIE instructor courses. If they are offered in Switzerland they will be offered by British owned ski schools operating in Switzerland, these were set up to cater for British skiers and mainly operate in Canton Valais.

At the moment these ski schools run BASI or IASI L2 gap year courses, which often include a job guarantee if you pass. As most of the takers are British, the job guarantee is now worthless because of Brexit.

If they change to PSIC/PSIE courses these might include a job guarantee with a PSIC affiliated Canadian ski school. The UK has a Youth Mobility Agreement with Canada, so they should be able to get a working holiday visa. This would allow the British owned ski schools to maintain what was an important income stream.
 

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So for all my criticisms [or at least questions] around PSIE, I'd forgotten that this has been done before with the European Association of Professional snowsports Instructors. I ve made the point a couple of times that Perry and Derek are pros, I'm a little less confident of the backing of this organisation. Pull up a chair, open a beer and brace yourself....

https://www.eapsi.org/

The production values [and the instructor's clothing] are... alarming




They are connected to the not very reassuringly named

http://cheapskiinstructortraining.com/

If this was circa 2000 it would just be a bit... cr@p, but the site is marked EAPSI.ORG © 2010 - 24 which suggests they're still in the game...

Horsetwist and I might have some differences on PSIE but I suspect neither of us would be pointing people at this.
 
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Details of the PSIE’s shareholders have now been published The Irish ski instructor living in France has a 40% stake, another 40% is owned by a British ski instructor who is part owner of a ski school in Nendaz, the owner of the remaining 20% is not given. So it looks like they will be running courses in Switzerland.
 

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So for all my criticisms [or at least questions] around PSIE, I'd forgotten that this has been done before with the European Association of Professional snowsports Instructors. I ve made the point a couple of times that Perry and Derek are pros, I'm a little less confident of the backing of this organisation. Pull up a chair, open a beer and brace yourself....

Anyone can set up a snowsport instructors association and award qualifications, the tricky bit is getting them recognized.

Tell us about the International Federation of Ski Instructors https://ivsi.info/?lang=en Who recognizes their qualifications apart from Snowsport England.
 

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Anyone can set up a snowsport instructors association and award qualifications, the tricky bit is getting them recognized.

Tell us about the International Federation of Ski Instructors https://ivsi.info/?lang=en Who recognizes their qualifications apart from Snowsport England.
Correct. Here you go

https://ivsi.info/members/

As with ISIA IVSI does not itself qualify, it's members do.

I think I Canada is also joining

One of the people involved in European snowsport (I assume that's the nendaz owner) has been exploring BASI alternatives for some time.

I wonder if the remaining 20% is Perry/PSIC
 
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I had an email this week from CSIA that they were looking at IVSI membership.


CSIA’S INTERNATIONAL PARTNERSHIPS
PARTENARIATS DE L'AMSC À L'INTERNATIONAL​

The opportunity of the CSIA’s 85th anniversary is good reason to update our members on the status of and developments in our venerable organization’s affiliations with the many sport instructor organizations operating both domestically and internationally. Whether you already teach abroad, aspire to, or dream of it, the international value of your membership matters!
International Affiliations
Members who are familiar with Interski will be aware of its world-leading congress of snowsport-teaching nations that meets every four years to demonstrate and compare technique and methodologies. Attendance in Interski is vital for the promotion and development of participating organizations, and ensures their certifications are relevant in the eyes of the global snowsports industry, especially at a time when so many members work internationally.


The Interski organization consists of thirty-one nations and three international specialized organizations. Interski promotes, coordinates, and develops all international matters relevant to snowsport instruction. And it recognizes one organization from each nation: in Canada, that’s the CSIA, where we represent all snowsport teaching organizations within our country.
The three international specialized organizations consist of the International Ski Instructors’ Association (ISIA), the International Federation of Snowsport Instructors (IVSI), and the International Association of Education in Science and Snowsports (IAESS). Alongside membership in Interski, the CSIA is also a longstanding member of ISIA and IAESS, and is in the process of joining IVSI.
Affiliation Benefits
For many decades, Canada’s affiliation with these various international snowsport instructor organizations has fostered our brand recognition globally, and enabled information sharing on trends in teaching methods, technique, and industry best practices.
One new and exciting project underway by the CSIA’s Technical and Education Committee (TEC) involves seeking accreditation from the International Ski Instructors’ Association to offer the “card” level of international certification. This status would offer CSIA members a new and challenging level of international recognition at various levels along our education and certification pathway.
The CSIA has been in strategic meetings with the Professional Ski Instructors of America – American Association of Snowboard Instructors (PSIA-AASI) to joint-venture our efforts to offer this new level of international accreditation. You will hear more about this exciting new educational opportunity in the months to follow.
What’s on the Horizon
As you may have heard, the PSIA-AASI has recently been selected to host Interski Congress 2027 in Vail, Colorado. The CSIA has reached out to our partners south of the border to congratulate them and offer any assistance they might need in making this North American event a huge success.
With this announcement, Nigel Loring, the CSIA’s new managing director, has already begun formulating several exciting concepts for our Interski team structure and approach, along with involvement of the Canadian snowsport partners we proudly represent. Our TEC and Women in Skiing committees will play an important role in designing our theme, team structure, and teaching/technical approaches to improve the customer experience here in Canada.
More importantly, we are focused on generating a measureable return on investment for all CSIA members leading up to, during, and post the 2027 Congress. Stay tuned for more about Interksi 2027 in the months to follow.


Le 85e anniversaire de l'AMSC est une bonne raison de tenir nos membres au courant de l'état et de l'évolution des affiliations de notre vénérable organisation avec les nombreux organismes de moniteurs et de monitrices de sport qui exercent leurs activités tant au pays qu'à l'étranger. Que vous enseigniez déjà à l'étranger, que vous y aspiriez ou que vous en rêviez, la valeur internationale de votre adhésion est importante !
Affiliations internationales
Les membres qui connaissent Interski savent qu'il s'agit d'un congrès mondial des nations qui enseignent les sports de neige, qui a lieu tous les quatre ans pour démontrer et comparer les techniques et les méthodologies. La participation à Interski est vitale pour la promotion et le développement des organisations participantes, et garantit la pertinence de leurs certifications aux yeux de l'industrie mondiale des sports de neige, en particulier à une époque où de nombreux membres travaillent à l'échelle internationale.


L'organisation Interski est composée de trente et un pays et de trois organisations internationales spécialisées. Interski promeut, coordonne et développe toutes les questions internationales relatives à l'enseignement des sports de neige. Il reconnaît une organisation par nation : au Canada, c'est l'AMSC, qui représente toutes les organisations d'enseignement des sports de neige dans notre pays.
Les trois organisations internationales spécialisées sont l'Association internationale des moniteurs de ski (ISIA), la Fédération internationale des moniteurs de sports de neige (IVSI) et l'Association internationale pour l'enseignement des sciences et des sports de neige (IAESS). Outre son adhésion à Interski, l'AMSC est également membre de longue date de l'ISIA et de l'IAESS, et est sur le point d'adhérer à l'IVSI.
Avantages de l'affiliation
Depuis plusieurs décennies, l'affiliation du Canada à ces diverses organisations internationales de moniteurs et de monitrices de sports de neige a favorisé la reconnaissance de notre marque à l'échelle mondiale et a permis l'échange d'information sur les tendances en matière de méthodes d'enseignement, de techniques et de pratiques exemplaires de l'industrie.
Le comité technique et éducatif (CTE) de l'AMSC a entrepris un nouveau projet passionnant qui consiste à obtenir l'accréditation de l'Association internationale des moniteurs de ski afin d'offrir le niveau " carte " de la certification internationale. Ce statut offrirait aux membres de l'AMSC un niveau nouveau et stimulant de reconnaissance internationale à divers niveaux de notre cheminement de formation et de certification.
L'AMSC a tenu des réunions stratégiques avec la Professional Ski Instructors of America- American Association of Snowboard Instructors (PSIA-AASI) afin d'unir nos efforts pour offrir ce nouveau niveau d'accréditation internationale. Vous en saurez plus sur cette nouvelle opportunité éducative passionnante dans les mois à venir.
Ce qui se profile à l'horizon
Comme vous l'avez peut-être entendu, la PSIA-AASI a récemment été sélectionnée pour organiser le congrès Interski 2027 à Vail, au Colorado. L'AMSC a tendu la main à ses partenaires au sud de la frontière pour les féliciter et leur offrir toute l'aide dont ils pourraient avoir besoin pour faire de cet événement nord-américain un énorme succès.
Avec cette annonce, Nigel Loring, le nouveau directeur général de l'AMSC, a déjà commencé à formuler plusieurs concepts passionnants pour la structure et l'approche de notre équipe Interski, avec la participation des partenaires de sports de neige canadiens que nous représentons fièrement. Nos comités CTE (comité technique et éducatif) et Le ski au féminin joueront un rôle important dans la conception de notre thème, de la structure de l'équipe et des approches pédagogiques/techniques afin d'améliorer l'expérience des clients ici au Canada.
Plus important encore, nous nous efforçons de générer un retour sur investissement mesurable pour tous les membres de l'AMSC avant, pendant et après le congrès de 2027. Suivez-nous pour en savoir davantage sur Interksi 2027 au cours des mois à venir.


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As with the ISIA the IFSI doesn’t allow more than one association per country, so if the CSIA becomes a member the PSIC won’t be eligible.

They could join the International Pro Ski Instructors Association (ISA) https://www.isaski.org/# It looks like there is no shortage of ski instructor associations.
 
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Due to this ISIA is largely irrelevant in Europe. France, Italy and Austria left ISIA a few years ago, although Italy has returned they do not recognise their qualification standard.
If France and Austria still aren't in ISIA, how is it determined who represents them at Interski?
 

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Austria France and Italy are all members of Interski International https://interski.org/members/ Austria is represented by Interski Austria https://interski-austria.at/organisation/ Interski Austria is an umbrella organization for the Austrian Ski School Association (ÖSSV), the Austrian Association of Snow Sports Instructors (ÖVSI) and the Austrian Working Group for Snow Sports at Schools and Universities (ÖAKS).

Even though France and Italy are members of Interski International they no longer attend the Interski congresses.
 

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As with the ISIA the IFSI doesn’t allow more than one association per country, so if the CSIA becomes a member the PSIC won’t be eligible.

They could join the International Pro Ski Instructors Association (ISA) https://www.isaski.org/# It looks like there is no shortage of ski instructor associations.
I'd be very very surprised if PSIE joined IVSI, they are very ski school orientated which is the opposite of IVSI.

ISA is very shall we say Korean orientated. I'd need to check my files but I think there are 3 or 4 'awarding bodies' there. It's a complicated landscape.
Austria France and Italy are all members of Interski International https://interski.org/members/ Austria is represented by Interski Austria https://interski-austria.at/organisation/ Interski Austria is an umbrella organization for the Austrian Ski School Association (ÖSSV), the Austrian Association of Snow Sports Instructors (ÖVSI) and the Austrian Working Group for Snow Sports at Schools and Universities (ÖAKS).

Even though France and Italy are members of Interski International they no longer attend the Interski congresses.
FFS sent a small delegation to Levi. Italy [as Italy] turned up when there was a vote to readmit them to ISIA. Sud Tirol kept their seats warm before that :)
 

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