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Wow, my brain just froze reading that.

What I really like how the article talks about SL/GS but posts pics of of a Nordic event.
Also mentioned an injected course - Repent, the end is near.

Edit to add. The reporter sounds like he/she is from Florida.
 

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Think it's pretty hysterical. Obviously people forget the NorAm circuit and most of the locations. I've been in meetings when there was significant arguement about cancelling at -25F or so, with wind. As in "it's not that cold, and 25mph is nothing!"

Like I have been suggesting, mainstream press.

Makes some of the frequent US journalists, as clueless as they are, seem "legit!" Bring your sense of humor for the next couple of weeks!
 
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I'm not sure about alpine, but in biathlon and xc ski, limit where race is postponed/canceled is (or at least it was) -18c. About skis... it's no big deal for SL/GS, but with some ice on course and such temperatures you can actually burn ptex around edges, which means ski is either to throw away or if skis have inserts (not all speed skis have them), you need to change insert, which means also new grind, so you basically start with new ski from beginning, and that ski is for sure not gonna be used in next few races. So I would dare to bet, most of speed guys will be running trainings on anything but their race skis.
 

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I've read several articles that the weather is so cold at the Olympics that it is ruining the skis and the coaches are throwing them away due to "base burn".

Cold weather turning skis to garbage in Pyeongchang

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-skis-to-garbage-in-pyeongchang-idUSKBN1FR0F5

“You can’t do anything about it but with the cold temperatures, the snow adheres to the ski base and twists it.”

“Snow crystals get really sharp when temperatures go to -20 degrees and the base burns. It’s the same as lighting fire and burning your base because the snow crystals get such sharp edges,” said the slalom specialist who is favored to win gold in Pyeongchang.


What is this phenomenon?
 

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What is this phenomenon?

Over-reported clickbait.

Base burn is base burn; reporters go OMG nuts over anything at all at this stage because there's nothing much to report yet.

The only thing one should conclude from that article is that there are a lot of skis that were taken to Korea but won't be used for actual events. Snooz.
 

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I learn something new every day here at PugSki.........very interesting article. Thanks for posting!!!

I cannot verify the accuracy of the article. That's why I asked what is "base burn"? I'm not sure it even exists--at least to the point where the ski is permanently ruined.
 

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I know a better way to make snow stick to skis on cold weather.... WARM wax!
 

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I cannot verify the accuracy of the article. That's why I asked what is "base burn"? I'm not sure it even exists--at least to the point where the ski is permanently ruined.

I don't think that anyone here would expect you to verify the accuracy of an article posted by a leading international news service, Reuters.

But what's interesting and seems to reinforce the legitimacy is the unambiguous quote, about world class athletes need to gain ever advantage down to the millisecond. While discarding skis after a run or two seems shocking to the casual observer, this writer included, the action appears to be a critical component of the professional skiers business, which is to win.

Would be interesting to hear the thoughts on this reported "base burn" from some of the more technically adept members of the community......

IMHO the article is a great find and a fine read. Thanks for posting!!!
 

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Base burn exists. It's nothing new. This is not some mystery, hyper-agreesive snow that destroys skis. I keep saying this, PLEASE take almost everything you see in the mainstream press with a grain of salt. If you want a list of 50 "ski writers" in this country who are absolutely clueless, and have been almost as bad, PM me.

The snow in Korea is cold, and very crystalized. It's much more like the man made snow that we see in North America in cold and high elevation. This "extreme cold" is a joke. There are plenty of big tome race venues in North America where this teams would be almost balmy in early February. Yes, These people have nothing to write about.

Have any of you see pictures of a WC speed skier and his /her techs in an airport? Or maybe a picture of a tech, working for ONE skier, with his van full of skis, or his tuning room? I saw Svindal's tech, early season a couple of years ago, and I think he had about SIXTY pairs of speed skis in his vehicle?

Comments above, IMO are right on the money. Every one of these athletes has skis with them that they will train on and not race on. I assume identical to the skis they will race on. Same everything. I can't begin to think what LV has with her.

Base burn is basically bad abrasion of the base along the edge of the base, generally along the inside edges more, though it can happen on both. It happens with too much friction and not enough lubrication. Most speed skis have a base section next to the edge, maybe a quarter inch wide that can be replaced or renewed. Then a fresh grind, and a lot of love with the wax, and they're good. Certainly good to train. Some of these might just need a fresh grind? I highly doubt if they are getting pitch into the dumpster, or being given to Korean kids.

Lots of theories some age old on how to minimize base burn. Swix CH-3, 4 powder has been around forever. Very hard wax. I recall treating the edge of the base on speed skis with it 25+ years ago. Some still do. I also recall my kids' reps/techs giving them a hard time for being to hard on their edges after crossing the line. Grinding on the bases.

So, yeah, not new, not fatal. Probably many of us notice when we ski, that if you have a pretty well waxed ski and ski for a few days on hard {of hard man made} snow, really carving in edge with some energy that the edges of the base are kind of white, and might look a bit "different." Base burn.

I bet if you Google it there are pics, etc. And maybe we'll have some tuners or techs weigh in.

Have seen skis burned badly enough to be taken out of the race rotation, but not trashed. At least not the skis uses at this level. Oh, and BTW, a training run is not a race. You'll hear the racers talk about somebody being fast, "killing it today", really having his skis run, etc. But I haven't heard "won a training run." So you don't need to use your best skis.

Others may have more info.

But yeah, let the racing begin so these folks can write about something else!
 

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These skis are not going into the dumpster...
Base burn is seen here all the time esp with cold agressive man made snow.

What is this cold nonsense? Single digits is just regular cold cold. Hell we had 2 weeks around Christmas with many days of negative digits.
When it's -10F they can start to grumble. Basically, these journalists have had 2 Winter Olympics in the tropics- Vancouver and Sochi. Both had serious melting issues and barely made it. The half pipe in Sochi was crap it was so warm. Didn't Sean White refuse to ride it?
 

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Editor's note: we just merged two threads on the same topic. As it always happens, they get merged into the older one. Cheers!
 

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What's even better is the article only shows photos of ski jumpers....
 

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