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What "All Mountain West" Skis to Try?

Tony S

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In search of what you might call a western daily driver. Something in the 95 - 100mm space, roughly. Usual suspect Bonfides, Mantras, Enforcers too planky for my taste.

I've been spending a lot of time on the Stormrider Motion 85 and I've become addicted to the measured rebound, cushy snow feel, and versatility of this ski. I'm looking for the equivalent in a more off piste design. Stormrider 95 does not appear to be it.

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In search of what you might call a western daily driver. Something in the 95 - 100mm space, roughly. Usual suspect Bonfides, Mantras, Enforcers too planky for my taste.

I live in Maine, but increasingly I'm skiing in the west because, well, I have to plan most of my skiing in advance and for weekends, and New England weather is just the pits for skiing most of the time.

Me: 5' 7" 140+ lbs, 59+ yo. I'm either a finesse skier (according to flailers and actual chargers) or a charger (according to the timid and actual finesse skiers). I can generally hang, skills wise, but notice I am slowing down when I try to ski with fast young guns. I have a quiver, from race skis to a 108 powder ski that hasn't seen snow in three full seasons now. :(:(:( I like skis that I can bend at will. Technical strengths are arcs on firm snow and slow flow turns on steeps. Weaknesses include high speed travel in crud, where I tend to get tossed around by turbulence. I handle bumps and trees well as long as I don't try to keep pace with the young and crazy.

Currently the ski that fills this niche for me is a 2019-20 Elan Ripstick Black @174cm. There is a lot to like about this ski. In particular it can pull off a surprisingly rewarding medium radius carved turn on the groomed for a ski this wide. My criticisms of it are very much in the minor quibbles department, so I'm not going to trade it out "just because." In challenging terrain and snow conditions I sometimes wish for a quieter feel, a little less pop, a hair less torsional stiffness. I won't go on.

What's motivating me to look for a replacement is that I've been spending a lot of time on the '19-'20 Stormrider Motion 85, and - much as it kills me to admit this with all the Stockli fever around here - I've become addicted to the measured rebound, cushy snow feel, and versatility of this ski. I'm looking for the equivalent in a more off piste design. If you want to call this the Mercedes feel (as opposed to BMW), as someone recently did, I'll own it.

Yes, the Stormrider 95 is the obvious candidate. But. I tried the plaid version a few years ago @175cm and it didn't work for me. Too much GS, not enough compliance for bumps and steeps. I haven't tried any of the newer models, and am put off by reports that the 21-22 model (blue) has been beefed up. Plus I am emphatically smack between sizes on this ski. 166 is too short for this purpose; 175 probably too much ski as noted just above. Currently I'm thinking Nela 96 @172. Not wild about the excess of pink, but could probably live with it. Not big on paying full retail, especially for Stockli.

Other ideas? Out of the mainstream thoughts welcome if based on first-hand experience. (E.g., anyone skied a Folsom?)
 
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In search of what you might call a western daily driver. Something in the 95 - 100mm space, roughly. Usual suspect Bonfides, Mantras, Enforcers too planky for my taste.

I've been spending a lot of time on the Stormrider Motion 85 and I've become addicted to the measured rebound, cushy snow feel, and versatility of this ski. I'm looking for the equivalent in a more off piste design. Stormrider 95 does not appear to be it.

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In search of what you might call a western daily driver. Something in the 95 - 100mm space, roughly. Usual suspect Bonfides, Mantras, Enforcers too planky for my taste.

I live in Maine, but increasingly I'm skiing in the west because, well, I have to plan most of my skiing in advance and for weekends, and New England weather is just the pits for skiing most of the time.

Me: 5' 7" 140+ lbs, 59+ yo. I'm either a finesse skier (according to flailers and actual chargers) or a charger (according to the timid and actual finesse skiers). I can generally hang, skills wise, but notice I am slowing down when I try to ski with fast young guns. I have a quiver, from race skis to a 108 powder ski that hasn't seen snow in three full seasons now. :(:(:( I like skis that I can bend at will. Technical strengths are arcs on firm snow and slow flow turns on steeps. Weaknesses include high speed travel in crud, where I tend to get tossed around by turbulence. I handle bumps and trees well as long as I don't try to keep pace with the young and crazy.

Currently the ski that fills this niche for me is a 2019-20 Elan Ripstick Black @174cm. There is a lot to like about this ski. In particular it can pull off a surprisingly rewarding medium radius carved turn on the groomed for a ski this wide. My criticisms of it are very much in the minor quibbles department, so I'm not going to trade it out "just because." In challenging terrain and snow conditions I sometimes wish for a quieter feel, a little less pop, a hair less torsional stiffness. I won't go on.

What's motivating me to look for a replacement is that I've been spending a lot of time on the '19-'20 Stormrider Motion 85, and - much as it kills me to admit this with all the Stockli fever around here - I've become addicted to the measured rebound, cushy snow feel, and versatility of this ski. I'm looking for the equivalent in a more off piste design. If you want to call this the Mercedes feel (as opposed to BMW), as someone recently did, I'll own it.

Yes, the Stormrider 95 is the obvious candidate. But. I tried the plaid version a few years ago @175cm and it didn't work for me. Too much GS, not enough compliance for bumps and crud. I haven't tried any of the newer models, and am put off by reports that the 21-22 model (blue) has been beefed up. Plus I am emphatically smack between sizes on this ski. 166 is too short for this purpose; 175 probably too much ski as noted just above. Currently I'm thinking Nela 96 @172. Not wild about the excess of pink, but could probably live with it. Not big on paying full retail, especially for Stockli.

Other ideas? Out of the mainstream thoughts welcome if based on first-hand experience. (E.g., anyone skied a Folsom?)
Augment AM98?
I skied this one last spring at ABasin. Loads of fun, had that Stockli-esque smooth feel but a bit friendlier with a tad more rocker, definitely a more off piste design. Still pricey and you’re not gonna find it on close out. However if you’re looking for a unicorn, this may be it. You could buy it, then never look back.

I’m not the skilled skier you are, but I took the AM98 into the trees and had a lot of fun. I also ventured into some newly formed bumps around the Land of Giants and was quite comfortable. I’ve skied the SR95 so I do recall the difference. AM98 is definitely more compliant.
 

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I know you said no but I would try the new Bonafide 97. Flexed a few sizes in store and they actually have a nice round flex and vary according to size which is nice (unlike say the first iteration of Head Kores). They are still on the charger end of the spectrum in the longer lengths but feel really smooth. I want to demo a pair. Why not.
 

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@Tony S - check with Big Sky sports, the mountain shop here, as of yesterday there was a pair of the 172s Nelas at 40% off, ~ $ 600ish on the rack. Pink but so what ? Gorgeous ski!

I too didn’t gel with the tartan SR 95 but have really enjoyed the prior and the newer version. Same luv for the RS black and RS 106, Blown away yesterday with the new Kastle offering but that was in the 108.
 
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@Tony S - check with Big Sky sports, the mountain shop here, as of yesterday there was a pair of the 172s Nelas at 40% off, ~ $ 600ish on the rack. Pink but so what ? Gorgeous ski!

I too didn’t gel with the tartan SR 95 but have really enjoyed the prior and the newer version. Same luv for the RS black and RS 106, Blown away yesterday with the new Kastle offering but that was in the 108.
Great tips. Thanks!
 

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Augment AM98?
I skied this one last spring at ABasin. Loads of fun, had that Stockli-esque smooth feel but a bit friendlier with a tad more rocker, definitely a more off piste design. Still pricey and you’re not gonna find it on close out. However if you’re looking for a unicorn, this may be it. You could buy it, then never look back.

I’m not the skilled skier you are, but I took the AM98 into the trees and had a lot of fun. I also ventured into some newly formed bumps around the Land of Giants and was quite comfortable. I’ve skied the SR95 so I do recall the difference. AM98 is definitely more compliant.
For the way Tony skis, I think the AM98 woudl be a stellar choice. I was hoping we could get him on them when were in Aspen this year but really didn't have the conditions.

The new Fischer Ranger 96Ti is another option as is Rossignol Escaper 94Ti. At Tony's weight, I think he would be happier on a ski that is more on the finesse side of the spectum than the power side.
 

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Honestly, knowing the way Tony skis, I think he would prefer a turnier ski, the Peak's (unpublished) radius is over 20 m.

I was actually just wondering if there is something in the park-to-all mountain space (read: available on BIG discount because park) that would fit Tony's skiing better than the Peak 98.
 

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I was actually just wondering if there is something in the park-to-all mountain space (read: available on BIG discount because park) that would fit Tony's skiing better than the Peak 98.
Not a bad direstion to consider. There are a lot of great options, Rustler 9, Reckoner 94 ... the list goes on. Eventually every ski wil be mentioned at some point ;)
 

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For a more traditional feel, the Blossom Pure 99 .. again the list goes on.
 

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I demoed Black Crows Camox Birdies for two full days at Alta-Snowbird this season, and I ended up buying a set. I took my Moment Hot Mess and Blizzard Sheeva 10 on that trip. The Moments were unskiable due to a bad tune, and the Sheevas felt too stiff underfoot for the variable conditions. The Camox were easy in the bumps and stable through crud. They have nice camber and flex nicely. I dońt know how to describe them in technical terms, but they´ve made me think I prefer skis without metal. Have you ever skied the Camox @Tony S ?
 

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Haven't skied them cuz I have the Enforcer 100 & 110, but a friend of mine who's family is a legend in Ski School & Ski Shop here swears by them. He is light also.......Enforcer 104
 
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Thanks for all the feedback. Things must be slow in the workplace today.

Not a bad direstion to consider. There are a lot of great options, Rustler 9, Reckoner 94 ... the list goes on. Eventually every ski wil be mentioned at some point ;)
I like the Rustler 9 a lot. 92mm in my size. I think of it more as a 50/50 ski. Probably too much overlap with my 85s. I'm looking at more of a 70/30 design. Guessing your first batch of suggestions was more in line with what I'm looking for.


MFree 99 at 171cm?
I'll go do a search on that. Have you tried it?


I demoed Black Crows Camox Birdies for two full days at Alta-Snowbird this season, and I ended up buying a set. I took my Moment Hot Mess and Blizzard Sheeva 10 on that trip. The Moments were unskiable due to a bad tune, and the Sheevas felt too stiff underfoot for the variable conditions. The Camox were easy in the bumps and stable through crud. They have nice camber and flex nicely. I dońt know how to describe them in technical terms, but they´ve made me think I prefer skis without metal. Have you ever skied the Camox @Tony S ?
I spent a day on the Serpo at Aspen but never the Camox. I'll put it on the "first cut" list.

@aveski is this what you have?


I think there's quite a way to go before that happens...............
A guy can dream. PLUS more bsl buddies in that bunch.
 
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