Featured Comparison Review 2020 Armada/Atomic/Salomon Bindings

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    MODELSTAND HEIGHT (mm)SETTING RANGEWEIGHT (g/pr)STANDARD BRAKE SIZES (mm)OPTIONAL BRAKE SIZES (mm)SOLE COMPATIBILITY
    L1016.54-12172080, 9070, 100, 115, 130DIN
    Z1016.54-12194080, 9070, 100, 115, 130DIN
    Z1216.54-12210070, 80, 90, 100115, 130DIN
    Warden 1124.53.5-11185090, 100 DIN
    Warden MNC 1125.53.5-11192090, 100, 115 DIN, WTR, GripWalk, AT
    Warden MNC 13265-13226490, 100, 115, 13080DIN, WTR, GripWalk, AT
    STH2 WTR 1318.45-13229090, 100, 115, 13080DIN, WTR, GripWalk
    STH2 WTR 1618.47-16244090, 100, 115, 13080DIN, WTR, GripWalk
    X12 TL GW (demo)23.54-12195070 DIN, GripWalk
    Warden 11 DT (demo)263.5-11218590, 100 DIN
    Warden MNC 11 DT (demo)263.5-11237590, 100 DIN, WTR, GripWalk, AT
    Warden MNC 13 DT (demo)275-13286090, 100, 115, 13080DIN, WTR, GripWalk, AT
    Note: all specs are based on information available at time of publishing and subject to change.​

    Armada/Atomic/Salomon L10/Z10/Z12

    • Pluses: Lightweight, multidirectional toe release
    • Minuses: Dated design, should be limited to skis under 90mm, no WTR or GripWalk, no Pozi adjustment for heel
    • Color options: Black/White, Red/Black
    • Others to consider: Marker Squire 11 ID; Tyrolia Attack2 11 GW; Look NX 11, NX 12 Dual
    Salomon Warden 11
    • Pluses: Beefy toe yet still lightweight, responsive return to center
    • Minuses: No WTR or GripWalk, no Pozi adjustment for heel
    • Color options: Dark Gray/Black, Silver/Black
    • Others to consider: Marker Squire 11 ID; Tyrolia Attack2 11 GW; Look NX 11, NX 12 Dual
    Armada/Atomic/Salomon Warden MNC 11
    • Pluses: Beefy toe yet still lightweight, responsive return to center, all-new beefier heel
    • Minuses: Delta changes when going to WTR or GripWalk, no Pozi adjustment for heel
    • Color options: White, Black, Black/Red, Fig, Silver/Black, Sea, Lemon/Chrome
    • Others to consider: Marker Squire 11 ID; Tyrolia Attack2 11 GW; Look NX 11, NX 12 Dual
    Armada/Atomic/Salomon Warden MNC 13
    • Pluses: Quicker return to center than STH2, 25mm+ adjustment range
    • Minuses: Delta changes when going to WTR or GripWalk, no Pozi adjustment for heel
    • Color options: Gold, Black/Gray, White/Black, Oil Green, Black, Black/Red, Black/Orange
    • Others to consider: Atomic/Salomon STH2 WTR 13; Look SPX 12 Dual, Pivot 12 Dual, Pivot 14 Dual; Marker Griffon 13 ID; Tyrolia Attack2 13 GW, Attack2 14 AT
    Armada/Salomon STH2 WTR 13
    • Pluses: Most elasticity in the toe; holds you in from top of boot, a part that gets no wear; micro wing adjustments and toe height for solid power transmission
    • Minuses: Delta changes when going to WTR and GripWalk, Salomon-specific model, no Pozi adjustment for heel
    • Color options: Gray/Black, Orange/Black
    • Others to consider: Atomic/Salomon Warden MNC 13; Look SPX 12 Dual, Pivot 12/14 AW; Marker Griffon 13 ID; Tyrolia Attack2 13 GW
    Armada/Atomic/Salomon STH2 WTR 16
    • Pluses: Most elasticity in the toe; holds you in from top of boot, a part that gets no wear; micro wing adjustments and toe height for solid power transmission; metal toe plate
    • Minuses: Delta changes when going to WTR and GripWalk, no Pozi adjustment for heel
    • Color options: Oil Green, Gunmetal/Black
    • Others to consider: Look Pivot 18; Marker Jester 16 ID, Jester 18 Pro; Tyrolia Attack2 16 GW, Attack2 18 X GW

    Demo Bindings

    Atomic/Salomon X12 TL GW

    • Adjustment range: 260-360 mm
    • Toolless length adjustment: Yes
    • Sole compatibility: DIN, GripWalk
    • Pluses: Full-flex design
    • Minuses: No WTR
    • Color options: Black
    • Others to consider: Head FreeFlex Demo 14 GW, Look SPX 12 Konect, Marker FDT TCX 12
    Atomic/Salomon Warden 11 DT
    • Adjustment range: 262-382 mm
    • Toolless length adjustment: Yes
    • Sole compatibility: DIN
    • Pluses: Lightweight, easy step-in
    • Minuses: No WTR or GripWalk, no Pozi adjustment for heel
    • Color options: Gunmetal/White
    • Others to consider: Look NX 12 Konect, Marker Squire 11 D, Tyrolia Attack2 11 AT Demo
    Atomic/Salomon Warden MNC 11 DT
    • Adjustment range: 262-382 mm
    • Toolless length adjustment: Yes
    • Sole compatibility: DIN, WTR, GripWalk
    • Pluses: Lightweight, easy step-in, full MNC
    • Minuses: No WTR, no Pozi adjustment for heel
    • Color options: Gunmetal/White
    • Others to consider: Look NX 12 Konect, Marker Squire 11 D, Tyrolia Attack2 11 AT Demo
    Armada/Atomic/Salomon Warden MNC 13 DT
    • Adjustment range: 262-382 mm
    • Toolless length adjustment: Yes, w/manual AFD
    • Sole compatibility: DIN, WTR, GripWalk
    • Pluses: Full MNC
    • Minuses: Delta changes from sole to sole, no Pozi adjustment for heel
    • Color options: Gunmetal/White, Black
    • Others to consider: Look SPX 12 Konect, Marker Griffon 13 D, Tyrolia Attack2 13 AT Demo
     
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    Philpug Notorious P.U.G. Admin Pugski Ski Tester

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    Armada options added.
     
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    Stev Out on the slopes Skier

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    Shift?
     
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    Shift is on the line of in bounds and back country but since it is designed mostly as a back coutnry binding with some in bound capacity it was excluded in this comparision.
     
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    AmyPJ No longer on the single track. Pugski Ski Tester

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    How much does the delta change on the MNC/WTR options?
     


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    Compared to?
     
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    AmyPJ No longer on the single track. Pugski Ski Tester

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    Compared to the DIN only models.
     
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    Philpug Notorious P.U.G. Admin Pugski Ski Tester

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    I will have to measure both bindings because the heels are also different.
     
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    Noodler My win/win/win for 2020: Ikon/LL/A-Basin Skier

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    Publishing the binding delta values all in one place/thread would be valuable. I now know that I was incorrectly substituting binding fore/aft position adjustments for what I really should have been doing; finding the right delta and then making sure that my ski quiver was consistent.
     
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    oswaldr2 Putting on skis Skier

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    So the Shifts and STH2 use the same drill pattern?
     
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    No, totally different.
     
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    oswaldr2 Putting on skis Skier

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    Thanks, figured as much.

    Think drilling an STH2 at 27.5 on some old Shift holes at 27.5 will be tough to keep the boot close to the line?
     

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