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MODELSTAND HEIGHT (mm)SETTING RANGEWEIGHT (g/pr)STANDARD BRAKE SIZES (mm)OPTIONAL BRAKE SIZES (mm)SOLE COMPATIBILITY
L1016.54-12172080, 9070, 100, 115, 130DIN
Z1016.54-12194080, 9070, 100, 115, 130DIN
Z1216.54-12210070, 80, 90, 100115, 130DIN
Warden 1124.53.5-11185090, 100 DIN
Warden MNC 1125.53.5-11192090, 100, 115 DIN, WTR, GripWalk, AT
Warden MNC 13265-13226490, 100, 115, 13080DIN, WTR, GripWalk, AT
STH2 WTR 1318.45-13229090, 100, 115, 13080DIN, WTR, GripWalk
STH2 WTR 1618.47-16244090, 100, 115, 13080DIN, WTR, GripWalk
X12 TL GW (demo)23.54-12195070 DIN, GripWalk
Warden 11 DT (demo)263.5-11218590, 100 DIN
Warden MNC 11 DT (demo)263.5-11237590, 100 DIN, WTR, GripWalk, AT
Warden MNC 13 DT (demo)275-13286090, 100, 115, 13080DIN, WTR, GripWalk, AT
Note: all specs are based on information available at time of publishing and subject to change.​

Armada/Atomic/Salomon L10/Z10/Z12

  • Pluses: Lightweight, multidirectional toe release
  • Minuses: Dated design, should be limited to skis under 90mm, no WTR or GripWalk, no Pozi adjustment for heel
  • Color options: Black/White, Red/Black
  • Others to consider: Marker Squire 11 ID; Tyrolia Attack2 11 GW; Look NX 11, NX 12 Dual
Salomon Warden 11
  • Pluses: Beefy toe yet still lightweight, responsive return to center
  • Minuses: No WTR or GripWalk, no Pozi adjustment for heel
  • Color options: Dark Gray/Black, Silver/Black
  • Others to consider: Marker Squire 11 ID; Tyrolia Attack2 11 GW; Look NX 11, NX 12 Dual
Armada/Atomic/Salomon Warden MNC 11
  • Pluses: Beefy toe yet still lightweight, responsive return to center, all-new beefier heel
  • Minuses: Delta changes when going to WTR or GripWalk, no Pozi adjustment for heel
  • Color options: White, Black, Black/Red, Fig, Silver/Black, Sea, Lemon/Chrome
  • Others to consider: Marker Squire 11 ID; Tyrolia Attack2 11 GW; Look NX 11, NX 12 Dual
Armada/Atomic/Salomon Warden MNC 13
  • Pluses: Quicker return to center than STH2, 25mm+ adjustment range
  • Minuses: Delta changes when going to WTR or GripWalk, no Pozi adjustment for heel
  • Color options: Gold, Black/Gray, White/Black, Oil Green, Black, Black/Red, Black/Orange
  • Others to consider: Atomic/Salomon STH2 WTR 13; Look SPX 12 Dual, Pivot 12 Dual, Pivot 14 Dual; Marker Griffon 13 ID; Tyrolia Attack2 13 GW, Attack2 14 AT
Armada/Salomon STH2 WTR 13
  • Pluses: Most elasticity in the toe; holds you in from top of boot, a part that gets no wear; micro wing adjustments and toe height for solid power transmission
  • Minuses: Delta changes when going to WTR and GripWalk, Salomon-specific model, no Pozi adjustment for heel
  • Color options: Gray/Black, Orange/Black
  • Others to consider: Atomic/Salomon Warden MNC 13; Look SPX 12 Dual, Pivot 12/14 AW; Marker Griffon 13 ID; Tyrolia Attack2 13 GW
Armada/Atomic/Salomon STH2 WTR 16
  • Pluses: Most elasticity in the toe; holds you in from top of boot, a part that gets no wear; micro wing adjustments and toe height for solid power transmission; metal toe plate
  • Minuses: Delta changes when going to WTR and GripWalk, no Pozi adjustment for heel
  • Color options: Oil Green, Gunmetal/Black
  • Others to consider: Look Pivot 18; Marker Jester 16 ID, Jester 18 Pro; Tyrolia Attack2 16 GW, Attack2 18 X GW

Demo Bindings

Atomic/Salomon X12 TL GW

  • Adjustment range: 260-360 mm
  • Toolless length adjustment: Yes
  • Sole compatibility: DIN, GripWalk
  • Pluses: Full-flex design
  • Minuses: No WTR
  • Color options: Black
  • Others to consider: Head FreeFlex Demo 14 GW, Look SPX 12 Konect, Marker FDT TCX 12
Atomic/Salomon Warden 11 DT
  • Adjustment range: 262-382 mm
  • Toolless length adjustment: Yes
  • Sole compatibility: DIN
  • Pluses: Lightweight, easy step-in
  • Minuses: No WTR or GripWalk, no Pozi adjustment for heel
  • Color options: Gunmetal/White
  • Others to consider: Look NX 12 Konect, Marker Squire 11 D, Tyrolia Attack2 11 AT Demo
Atomic/Salomon Warden MNC 11 DT
  • Adjustment range: 262-382 mm
  • Toolless length adjustment: Yes
  • Sole compatibility: DIN, WTR, GripWalk
  • Pluses: Lightweight, easy step-in, full MNC
  • Minuses: No WTR, no Pozi adjustment for heel
  • Color options: Gunmetal/White
  • Others to consider: Look NX 12 Konect, Marker Squire 11 D, Tyrolia Attack2 11 AT Demo
Armada/Atomic/Salomon Warden MNC 13 DT
  • Adjustment range: 262-382 mm
  • Toolless length adjustment: Yes, w/manual AFD
  • Sole compatibility: DIN, WTR, GripWalk
  • Pluses: Full MNC
  • Minuses: Delta changes from sole to sole, no Pozi adjustment for heel
  • Color options: Gunmetal/White, Black
  • Others to consider: Look SPX 12 Konect, Marker Griffon 13 D, Tyrolia Attack2 13 AT Demo
 
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Armada options added.
 
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Shift is on the line of in bounds and back country but since it is designed mostly as a back coutnry binding with some in bound capacity it was excluded in this comparision.
 

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How much does the delta change on the MNC/WTR options?
 

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How much does the delta change on the MNC/WTR options?
Publishing the binding delta values all in one place/thread would be valuable. I now know that I was incorrectly substituting binding fore/aft position adjustments for what I really should have been doing; finding the right delta and then making sure that my ski quiver was consistent.
 

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A couple of questions for brake widths on a 108 mm ski.

For STH2 bindings, which is the ideal width? The 100 or the 115?

It looks like the gap in breaks in Pivots is similar, I would assume the 115 Pivot brake would make more sense than the 95 mm brake?

The Attack bindings seem to get the closest with a 110 brake.
 
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A couple of questions for brake widths on a 108 mm ski.

For STH2 bindings, which is the ideal width? The 100 or the 115?

It looks like the gap in breaks in Pivots is similar, I would assume the 115 Pivot brake would make more sense than the 95 mm brake?

The Attack bindings seem to get the closest with a 110 brake.
A 100mm is tight but will work. I am using 115's on my 108 demos. Good thing with the Salomon brake is that it is high and will not drag. For a Pivot, no way a 95 will go on the 108.
 

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A 100mm is tight but will work. I am using 115's on my 108 demos. Good thing with the Salomon brake is that it is high and will not drag. For a Pivot, no way a 95 will go on the 108.
Thanks Phil! If Salomon 115s work for your 108s, they sound like the right answer for me. Thanks again
 
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@Philpug Following up on this post: Does the same hold when you go up 10mm in width?: Do 110mm brakes fit on 118mm width skis? Tyrolia Attack 13 in my case. Thanks.
I can confirm that the 100mm Salomon brake will work on that 107, I cannot confirm that the Tyrolia 110mm will work on the 118.
 
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