Women's Soccer World Cup 2019

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  1. Jacob

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    What the article you've attached doesn't mention is that, in the specific case of the US teams, the women are bringing in more money than the men.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/what...he-us-womens-soccer-pay-debate-153139503.html

    According to financial reports from the U.S. Soccer Federation reviewed by the Wall Street Journal, USWNT games generated more total revenue than the USMNT games from 2016 through 2018: $50.8 million in revenue vs. $49.9 million for the men.

    They also generate higher TV ratings and sell more merchandise than the men.

    So while it's true in other countries that the men's national teams bring in more money than the women, and it's true that the men's clubs teams bring in more money than the women's clubs, in the specific case of the US national teams, the women bring in more money than the men.

    That's what the pay dispute for the USWNT is about. They're bringing in more money for the USSF and for Nike than the men with their national team appearances, but the USSF is paying them a fraction of what they're paying the men.
     
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    He’s gone all over the place with the “money”. But the only comparable number is how much the US men’s soccer team brings in.

    If the US men’s soccer team bring in more money, the pay gap can be justified. If not, then other sports’ money gap are tangential.

    Sure, men’s soccer are bigger business in the rest of the world. But it doesn’t distract from the fact the US men’s team are a major disappointment in comparison.

    If European women football league ever takes off, it wouldn’t surprise me American women players will get paid to play over there, and only comes back to form the national team during world cup year. Like male players from South America.
     
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    I think the ultimate problem is that MSL men's league pays a lot higher than women's pro ball does. So, men give up more to drop off the MSL roster to play NT games than women do.. so they can pay less to convince the women to drop off their pro team to play on the NT. I don't know how to fix that.
     
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    Do the men actually miss league games when they play for the national team? In Europe, all of the leagues have breaks set aside to allow players to play for their national teams, and they coordinate that with FIFA and UEFA.

    Does the MLS actually continue playing during the major international tournaments? If so, then maybe the league needs to rearrange its schedule.
     
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    Yes, there were MSL games happening during the Gold Cup. I think there may be a reason that MSL and European leagues aren't in synch, because some players do both?? Maybe. Anyway, ya, the women on the NT also missed league games for the WC.
     


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    I think the MLS was originally scheduled to run over the summer because it was thought that this would mean they didn't have to compete with the NFL and NBA for fans. I'm not really sure whether this works or not, but it definitely causes a clash with the international tournaments.

    For both the MLS and the women's leagues, it might be best to switch to a school-year schedule. As it is, whenever there are international tournaments, they're losing all of the players in those tournaments (not just the Americans) and are competing for fans with the various national teams.
     
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    School calendar year isn't great as many northern cities see cold and get snow from November through April. We used to have a pro indoor soccer league going those months many moons ago.. But, poor turnout and hockey game arena conflicts ended that pretty quickly. Most of the top players have riders in their contract that allows time off for NT play. Still, the league teams miss them, and there are certainly costs involved due to the conflicts, crazy travel schedules, etc..
     
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    Plenty of northern European countries deal with the same weather issues. Some take a winter break for a short period in January, but they also have heated fields to melt any snow that might be on the ground on game day. Some have also switched to the latest artificial surfaces, which are so much better than the astroturf of the past.

    Also, playing over the summer has its own weather challenges for the players. It's hard to play exciting soccer when it's 100 degrees and you only get 3 substitutions per game. It's always been a winter sport since its inception.
     
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    The only problem is if the USWNT becomes like the men's team, we might not care about them either. Currently, even though they'd be destroyed by our questionable men's team, they are far more compelling.
    Do I care about Michael Bradley? No.
    Who's the gk after Tim Howard? Don't know. Failing to qualify for 2018 had huge consequences.
    Did I care they lost to Mexico? No. The game was decent at times and they should have won, but they went all England nat'l men's team pre 2018 and lost.
     
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    Imagine if across the pond the NFL wanted to play a full schedule with weekend games in every major stadium across Europe during the school months?? Same scenario here.
    Problem is that all the stadiums with that kind of infrastructure are already being used during those months by the NFL... and it isn't just a matter of alternating weekend days. The lines in the field are completely different so that would also have to be managed if they were to share a stadium. Travel schedules, Logistical nightmare.
     
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    They play in Yankee stadium in NY during baseball season. Then they have the recent Red Bull arena in NJ. One holds 49,000, the other 25. You can get to both by train. Football stadiums are too big, maybe too narrow? Considering they're unused everyday except Sunday, a complete waste.

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    Given that the MLS season doesn't finish until late October, I'd guess that they've already figured out how to deal with the logistical problems of sharing with the NFL.
     
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    Umm NFL and MSL only overlap for a few weeks. November through January is NFL prime time. Again, I ask what if they tried having both going on sharing stadiums in Europe?
     
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    Would heating the field be an option? Not many people want to play or watch people play soccer in well below freezing temperatures. The suggestion here is that MSL play winter instead of summer to reduce FIFA schedule conflicts, I don't see that happening.
     
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    Both leagues are playing in September and October. The number of NFL games doesn’t increase in November, so the logistics don’t change compared to earlier in the season.

    In England, they have rugby and soccer going at the same time. They play in separate stadiums. Maybe it’s time for more MLS teams to move into dedicated stadiums. If they really want the league to grow in stature, then that’s the direction they need to be heading.
     
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    You forget that changing the schedule would mean that the most important games of the MLS season (the championship playoffs) would end up in May instead of October, meaning much better weather for fans.

    Besides, plenty of fans watch high school, college, and NFL games in cold temperatures, in addition to European fans watching soccer games. Don’t forget about all of the snow sports fans who sit out in the cold to watch competitions.
     
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    Well they play football in winter and those games are longer. At least a soccer game is limited in time to roughly 50 min halves. Plus in soccer stadiums most of the seats are covered.
    Snow is probably worse for soccer. There was that Costa Rica - US game played in a snow storm in Denver. Kind of crazy.


    Fields now seem to have active drainage. SubAir is one system. RedBull arena uses it as well as Wembley Stadium and many others. It uses vacuum and air pressure modes. One for drainage, one during drought or when you want to get moisture in. The air can be heated, so I guess the answer is yes. No need to go to artificial. Plus I believe they’re installing grow lights for winter in soccer stadiums. Lambeau for the Packers field was the first to use a portable Dutch system.
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2010/01/23/subair-system-installation-begins-red-bull-arena
     
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    Final issue to overlapping seasons end to end would be cannibalization. Not many people who currently have soccer and football season tickets would have the leisure time to cram both in during the same core months of the season. That's a big reason why the winter indoor league failed. After football ends in February Hockey is headed in to the playoffs then baseball starts up. Summer with playoffs in late October/November really is a sweetspot for fans of multiple sports.

    And, unfortunately US fans really don't care as much about FIFA events as they do about other 'Murikan sports. Women's soccer is the exception. They could probably really easily change to a winter schedule.
     
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    The problem is if you want US women players to be able to play with Euro teams and be on the USWNT, schedules really have to align. Lindsey Horan had to leave PSG to be on the USWNT.

    With the new money, Euro teams are catching up fast and will surpass.
     
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    Ya we touched on men who also play MSL and Euro ball.
     

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