White pass (Norwegian) turn vs. Ligety race turn

[4ster]

Wedge step swings, wedge edge locks, World Cup wedgies, crab hops, all a little different in my experience but all related.
YA-YAS sound good .

 

[AmyPJ]

Playing around today with white pass turns and some other stupid ski instructor tricks () reminded me of these. I always referred to them as ”moon walks“ but I have heard them called ”hanger turns“ Or even confused with a converging step turn. In some respects they are similar and contain elements of the white pass turn.
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& back to ski turns
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Whatever a drill is called it doesn’t really make much difference, it is how they are implemented to enhance someone’s skills or improve on weaknesses. I am with Marko, most drills can be anything you want them to be.

These yo yos had fun doing ya yas with you today! Your videographer must be one awesome skier ⛷⛷
Thanks for working with me for a bit. I get lazy and bored with drills. I need to be pushed sometimes!

 

[4ster]

These yo yos had fun doing ya yas with you today! Your videographer must be one awesome skier ⛷⛷
Thanks for working with me for a bit. I get lazy and bored with drills. I need to be pushed sometimes!

Here is part of what you shot.

 

[AmyPJ]

Here is part of what you shot.
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It turned out fine! And I was referring to the other videographer, @utskier as the awesome skier. Me? If only I had received such quality instruction when first starting instead of skidding around trying to keep up with people who were always telling me to "go faster!"

 

[4ster]

Here is a high level white pass turn performed by Kilde from today’s super G at beaver creek.

 

[James]

Did he pull that out? Hard to tell, the outside dki is wobbling so much.

 

[Erik Timmerman]

Well... I like that he brings the ski down by leveling his hips.

 

[Muleski]

Kilde had that run won, "going away" until that.....and he only lost the win by .10 sec. That was a real save. Kilde is a strong as a bull. Look for good season, now full dialed in with his "new-old"company. Sorry for the thread drift.....

 

[4ster]

Did he pull that out? Hard to tell, the outside dki is wobbling so much.

Yes, he pulled it off.

Well... I like that he brings the ski down by leveling his hips.

Kilde had that run won, "going away" until that.....and he only lost the win by .10 sec. That was a real save. Kilde is a strong as a bull. Look for good season, now full dialed in with his "new-old"company. Sorry for the thread drift.....

I think my leg would’ve snapped off!

 

[AmyPJ]

 

[James]

I love that he makes the turn at the gate totally on the inside ski. If anything, the outside ski at that point is trying to destroy him.

 

[geepers]

Here is a high level white pass turn performed by Kilde from today’s super G at beaver creek.
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Freakn 'ell. Guess his leg is now certified for 'flutter'.

I like this performance WP, especially the little hop at entry. Note the leveling of hips. Axel?

The hop entry can be useful for those new to the drill having difficulty getting the inside ski to start turning.

 

[razie]

So - for those interested - I have it on good authority that the White Pass was originally invented as a means to go quickly through a Slalom flush, indeed by the Mahre bros.

 

[Swede]

Kilde had that run won, "going away" until that.....and he only lost the win by .10 sec. That was a real save. Kilde is a strong as a bull. Look for good season, now full dialed in with his "new-old"company. Sorry for the thread drift.....

Really shows his strength. I hear that he is and has been the strongest on the Norwegian speed team when they test, which says something when being compared to guys like Kjetil J and ALS.

 

[Henry]

Ted Ligety had his best year when the new GS ski specs required the large radius (35m?). Head was the first to bring out well performing skis for the new FIS spec that year, and Ted really knew how to use them. The next year all the other ski makers also had very well performing GS skis.

Ted's movement of shifting to the outside edge of his old inside ski is to start bringing his body across the skis. That rolls the ski to its inside edge as it becomes the new outside ski.

The White Pass turn isn't a turn...it's a balance drill. As with any drill, every coach may put their own 2¢ into it. The drill may have had its origin in the 1980s when Steve Mahre was racing, hit some uneven snow during a turn, and the skis did a little dance under him. The Mahre brothers were from the White Pass ski area near Yakima, Washington.

 

[Mike-AT]

So, have you started working on White Pass turns yet?
If yes, how's it going? Have you gotten any success in doing it the way that Bobby is doing it?
What is working and what is not?

2nd day on the snow, again with my kids & the pistes were pretty crowded so I could not practice as easily as I wanted to - but JEEZ, talk about commitment! Leaning over & balancing on the new inside ski only scared the sh*t out of me. Couldn't do it in the few tries I had. Realized it feels super weird because of all the drills on weighting the outside ski, plus scary as there is no "other leg" available to step on in case you lose balance.

I think I need several more tries and some in-between steps (no idea how - maybe gentle carving on one ski only etc.).

 

[LiquidFeet]

2nd day on the snow, again with my kids & the pistes were pretty crowded so I could not practice as easily as I wanted to - but JEEZ, talk about commitment! Leaning over & balancing on the new inside ski only scared the sh*t out of me. Couldn't do it in the few tries I had. Realized it feels super weird because of all the drills on weighting the outside ski, plus scary as there is no "other leg" available to step on in case you lose balance.

I think I need several more tries and some in-between steps (no idea how - maybe gentle carving on one ski only etc.).

Yep. Gotta deal with the release first (there are two ways of doing this), then the sustained balancing on that LTE. Both are doozies to learn.

 

[4ster]

I think I need several more tries and some in-between steps (no idea how - maybe gentle carving on one ski only etc.).

Try learning/practicing sideslipping on your inside/uphill foot/ski.
As LF says "little toe edge"

 

[LiquidFeet]

Try learning/practicing sideslipping on your inside/uphill foot/ski.
As LF says "little toe edge"

For the longest time I could do this LTE sideslip only on my left ski. When I tried it on the right ski, the ski would travel forward and my body bent over and twisted into some kind of pretzel shape, all against my will. Dunno why. Got that fixed, dunno how. Now working on doing it without the whole body uphill lean; trying to work some counter and angulation into it. It's surprisingly difficult to do, but repeat attempts do produce improvement.

 

[Rod9301]

2nd day on the snow, again with my kids & the pistes were pretty crowded so I could not practice as easily as I wanted to - but JEEZ, talk about commitment! Leaning over & balancing on the new inside ski only scared the sh*t out of me. Couldn't do it in the few tries I had. Realized it feels super weird because of all the drills on weighting the outside ski, plus scary as there is no "other leg" available to step on in case you lose balance.

I think I need several more tries and some in-between steps (no idea how - maybe gentle carving on one ski only etc.).

You need to be able to switch the weight from the new inside ski to the outside at any moment.