What current skis match this shape?

[Noodler]

Looking for an all-mountain West ski (85-95mm waist) that has a shape the same as the Scott Crusade. The key aspect of the Scott Crusade shape/sidecut is that the widest portions of the ski are in contact with the snow surface when the ski is flat. The widest point of the tip is not further up the tip. Also, the sidecut has a tighter radius with the widest points occurring closer to the midpoint of the ski. They look like this:

 

[Tricia]

I think there are some Liberty VMTs that look like that shape.

 

[Noodler]

I think there are some Liberty VMTs that look like that shape.

They are close, but not totally there.

 

[cantunamunch]

Zag H-88 and H-95?

 

[James]

Does it need the blunt tip?
Didn't the original Crusade have a boat hull tip and tail? It had a cross hatch pattern on the top sheet.

Line Chronic 95mm waist?
Maybe too much upturned tail?

https://www.lineskis.com/en/skis-and-gear/skis/chronic-1819.html

 

[Paul Tocko]

Nordica Navigator??

 

[jmeb]

Hard to say exactly from just looking since most manufacturers suck at posting actual rocker photos which seems to be important in this case. For instance the Sego Cleaver 88 has the right shape, but I'd wager the rocker puts the widest point not in contact: https://segoskis.com/collections/18-19-ski-lineup/products/cleaver-88

The Meier quickdraw looks close:

Or the Romp Skis 86:

 

[Josh Matta]

I use to own those Crusades.

buy some E93 a size up. from the Crusades. My E93 feel like full cambered 175 skis on packed snow.

 

[Philpug]

Just to be clear, you want a ski that the sidecut starts and stops at the contact points when laid flat?

 

[Tricia]

If you're being specific, why not just have Wagner build you what you want

 

[James]

Get an older storm rider?

I think that's 2013-15?

 

[Noodler]

Does it need the blunt tip?
Didn't the original Crusade have a boat hull tip and tail? It had a cross hatch pattern on the top sheet.

Line Chronic 95mm waist?
Maybe too much upturned tail?


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https://www.lineskis.com/en/skis-and-gear/skis/chronic-1819.html

Line Chronic looks quite close. Reminds me that maybe the new DPS Cassiar 94 would be a great replacement.

 

[Noodler]

Nordica Navigator??

I definitely need to get on these.

 

[Noodler]

Just to be clear, you want a ski that the sidecut starts and stops at the contact points when laid flat?

Yes. It's more about the sidecut shape that I'm concerned about and not the rocker profile. I'm interested in skis with a tighter turn radius (<18.0m at 175cm-180cm) that don't have a hooky tip design. What Scott did with the Crusade is interesting and not common. They really pushed that widest point of the tip down the ski. Unfortunately they no longer have anything like it in their lineup.

 

[Noodler]

Get an older storm rider?
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I think that's 2013-15?

Yep, already have that exact ski (2015 model).

The Crusade fits a very specific purpose in my quiver. It's a crud-buster ski that is absolutely as anti-hook as any ski I've ever ridden. So if I can't get out until 3 or 4 days after a good storm, it gets the call.

 

[ted]

Ebay saved search should eventually turn up the same ski.

 

[James]

Yeah but what profile do you want to the tip? Long curve, short curve?

What you're talking about was kind of the Kastle Fx95 that came out several years ago. Except you want more sidecut.

Rossi Experience 88,94?
Fischer pro mountains?

 

[Noodler]

Yeah but what profile do you want to the tip? Long curve, short curve?

What you're talking about was kind of the Kastle Fx95 that came out several years ago. Except you want more sidecut.

Rossi Experience 88,94?
Fischer pro mountains?

I think the Rossi's and the Fischer's get wider as the tip turns up off the snow.

As I think about it, maybe what I want is something like a narrow'ish 5-point sidecut ski. DPS has that kind of going on with the Wailer 99. Who builds a 90-95mm waist 5-point ski?

 

[Andy Mink]

Line Chronic looks quite close. Reminds me that maybe the new DPS Cassiar 94 would be a great replacement.

I was looking at a DPS94 this morning and thought of this thread. All the Foundation Cassiars (82, 87, 94) are pretty close to this, though the rise starts a bit before where the tip curve starts. The widest point on the tip is pretty close to where it touches though.

 

[Noodler]

The thing about DPS that I'm not loving is how they're now changing the shape of their models when they have a different construction layup. They used to keep everything the same, but have different materials, etc. So if I want the Cassiar 94 with the shape I like, then I have to go Alchemist. For a "crud buster" I like a heavier damper ski. I skied the Alchemist Cassiar 94 and was surprised at how much better it feels than the old Pure layups, but it's still not considered highly damp (at least not to me).

Alchemist:

Foundation: