Twin-tip for a teenager

[Read Blinn]

My son (almost 18) needs new skis, having outgrown his Volkl Kinks, and the goose is getting fat. I know nothing at all about twin-tips and hope someone could suggest some options.

He's 5'8", about 140, a strong but nontechnical skier who likes ripping and jumps, merging into freestyle in a recreational way. He liked the Kinks but wants to try something different. He prefers light (and laughs at my titinal-laminated 4x4s and FXs).

If anyone has a clue about this curious subset of ski equipment, I'd appreciate hearing your views.

 

[SallyCat]

He will wreck at least one pair per season if he plays on boxes and/or rails.

FWIW, I have a pair of barely used 171 cm ON3P Jessie 86 twin tips with bindings set for a 306 BSL that I'd part with for not much $. They are women's skis, but really they're just the ON3P Filthy Rich, and nobody on the E coast would know the difference in graphics anyway, which are stylish-neutral rather than "menstrual". They are bomber--great edge grip for East Coast skiing, camber underfoot, but a crazy amount of rocker at each end. And durable. I think ON3P stopped making the Jessie 86 after the first year's model because women just weren't buying them.

Really, though, I'm just recommending ON3P's Filthy Rich skis. Surprisingly great in east coast conditions in terms of edge hold and versatility.

 

[Philpug]

Are you looking to trade some twin tips to get a teenager or do you have a teenager that you want to trade for twin tips? I think you wull have more luck with the former than the latter. You might need to sweeten the deal on the latter....

 

[Dwight]

I would check out J-skis, @JLev

 

[SallyCat]

Are you looking to trade some twin tips to get a teenager or do you have a teenager that you want to trade for twin tips? I think you wull have more luck with the former than the latter. You might need to sweeten the deal on the latter....

I know you meant this for the op, but as a high school teacher I adore other people's teenagers. The Jessie's however are exchangeable only in US dollars not US, or even international, adolescents.

 

[Read Blinn]

He will wreck at least one pair per season if he plays on boxes and/or rails.

FWIW, I have a pair of barely used 171 cm ON3P Jessie 86 twin tips with bindings set for a 306 BSL that I'd part with for not much $. They are women's skis, but really they're just the ON3P Filthy Rich, and nobody on the E coast would know the difference in graphics anyway, which are stylish-neutral rather than "menstrual". They are bomber--great edge grip for East Coast skiing, camber underfoot, but a crazy amount of rocker at each end. And durable. I think ON3P stopped making the Jessie 86 after the first year's model because women just weren't buying them.

Really, though, I'm just recommending ON3P's Filthy Rich skis. Surprisingly great in east coast conditions in terms of edge hold and versatility.

Hmm, tempting. . . That's his current bsl. What are the binders? Any difference in layup between the Jessie & the Filthy Rich?

A quick search found several seasons of the Jessie, each with different graphics. For 2018, it seems they went to an 88. You're right, handsome ski. Do you have a picture?

Edit: No, 2016 was the only year for the 86. After that it was the 88.

 

[Read Blinn]

Are you looking to trade some twin tips to get a teenager or do you have a teenager that you want to trade for twin tips? I think you wull have more luck with the former than the latter. You might need to sweeten the deal on the latter....

Well, actually, we'll keep him. He's one of those rare, agreeable-type teenagers who's fun to be around. Of course he could spend less time online, take more responsibility around the house and for his future, throw his dirty clothes down the chute, pick up his room, and return his cereal bowls to the kitchen, but he's a nice guy. Takes after his mom.

 

[SallyCat]

Tyrolia Peak 11. They've been mounted twice because my first boots had a 316 bsl. They've hardly been used though, and never on boxes or rails; I had a wild hair about getting into park skiing a couple of years ago, but it just never happened.

Didn't mean to turn the thread into a sales pitch. I've been organizing the workshop/ski storage area, so selling these happened to be on my mind when I saw your post.

Here's a link to some text that explains the diff between the Fithy and the Jessie. Lighter core material, sounds like. The Jessies are solid, burly skis, though, so I can't imagine the difference is huge.

https://nextadventure.net/blog/2016-on3p-jessie-review/

 

[Tom K.]

Nordica Soul Riders?

Those seem to be an enduring favorite, though I know nothing firsthand about twin tips.

 

[Read Blinn]

Tyrolia Peak 11. They've been mounted twice because my first boots had a 316 bsl. They've hardly been used though, and never on boxes or rails; I had a wild hair about getting into park skiing a couple of years ago, but it just never happened.

Didn't mean to turn the thread into a sales pitch. I've been organizing the workshop/ski storage area, so selling these happened to be on my mind when I saw your post.

Here's a link to some text that explains the diff between the Fithy and the Jessie. Lighter core material, sounds like. The Jessies are solid, burly skis, though, so I can't imagine the difference is huge.

https://nextadventure.net/blog/2016-on3p-jessie-review/


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The dad's ok with them, but the wife and son resist -- women's skis?

I'm taking your rec of ON3P seriously, though. Seems like the current version of the Filthy Rich is the Magnus -- a 90, which is what he's used to. They say they improve the carving performance, which will help when he's skiing w/ parents (more and more infrequently, alas).

 

[Read Blinn]

@SallyCat, thanks for posting those pics, though. They can go to Phil's garage -- bet they'll sell quick.

 

[SallyCat]

The dad's ok with them, but the wife and son resist -- women's skis?

Perfectly understandable!

 

[Dwight]

@dean_spirito might be able to give some assistance on ski choices too.

 

[dean_spirito]

The ON3P Magnus is a fantastic choice. I skied with Magnus all summer and he constantly challenged people to break the skis. They are definitely durable and should last multiple seasons.

Other favourites include:

-Line Blend
-Line Chronic
-Line Tom Wallisch Pro
-Line Honey Badger
-Armada B Dog
-Armada E Dollo
-K2 Poacher

Here are some reviews I've written that might help. Feel free to ask any questions you may have.

https://forum.pugski.com/threads/2018-armada.4335/

https://forum.pugski.com/threads/2018-k2.4344/

https://forum.pugski.com/threads/2018-line.4373/

Let me know what your son decides to go with and why.

 

[dlague]

My son (almost 18) needs new skis, having outgrown his Volkl Kinks, and the goose is getting fat. I know nothing at all about twin-tips and hope someone could suggest some options.

He's 5'8", about 140, a strong but nontechnical skier who likes ripping and jumps, merging into freestyle in a recreational way. He liked the Kinks but wants to try something different. He prefers light (and laughs at my titinal-laminated 4x4s and FXs).

If anyone has a clue about this curious subset of ski equipment, I'd appreciate hearing your views.

Well there are a few things to consider.

1) Is he a park skier at all? or is he mostly doing on groomer jibbing?
2) Does he butter, land switch, ski backwards or do 180, 360 or more off jumps? Then swing weight is a consideration.
3) What type of terrain does he ski most besides groomers? Trees, bumps, natural etc.
4) Where is he skiing mostly - being from NH is it more like Sunapee or more like Cannon, or more like Pats Peak?

Here are twin tip park skis
https://www.evo.com/shop/ski/skis/park-pipe

Here are twin tip - more all mountain skis
https://www.evo.com/shop/ski/skis/twin-tip

there is some overlap

 

[jmeb]

Volkl Revolt. Cheap. Well made. Versatile in the park and all mountain. 95mm underfoot. Fun, easy to ski but not a noodle. If he destroys / grows out of them in a year, no problemo.

On3p Magnus is stupid fun ski. Bit narrower waist for EC may be good. And thicker bases than anyone in the industry.

 

[Read Blinn]

The ON3P Magnus is a fantastic choice. I skied with Magnus all summer and he constantly challenged people to break the skis. They are definitely durable and should last multiple seasons.

Other favourites include:

-Line Blend
-Line Chronic
-Line Tom Wallisch Pro
-Line Honey Badger
-Armada B Dog
-Armada E Dollo
-K2 Poacher

Here are some reviews I've written that might help. Feel free to ask any questions you may have.

https://forum.pugski.com/threads/2018-armada.4335/

https://forum.pugski.com/threads/2018-k2.4344/

https://forum.pugski.com/threads/2018-line.4373/

Let me know what your son decides to go with and why.

Thanks, Dean. I'll check out the reviews.

How does the Magnus compare in weight — heavier than some, lighter. (I can look up the numbers, but it's a feel thing, too.)

 

[Read Blinn]

Well there are a few things to consider.

1) Is he a park skier at all? or is he mostly doing on groomer jibbing?
2) Does he butter, land switch, ski backwards or do 180, 360 or more off jumps? Then swing weight is a consideration.
3) What type of terrain does he ski most besides groomers? Trees, bumps, natural etc.
4) Where is he skiing mostly - being from NH is it more like Sunapee or more like Cannon, or more like Pats Peak?

Here are twin tip park skis
https://www.evo.com/shop/ski/skis/park-pipe

Here are twin tip - more all mountain skis
https://www.evo.com/shop/ski/skis/twin-tip

there is some overlap

He's on boxes, rails, and jumps, lands switch, does 180s, is working on 360s, etc., and he does on-groomer jibbing. He'll ski trees & bumps, and natural when we get it. He likes light skis. He skis Sunapee, Okemo, and Crotched mostly. I'm looking for something he can use for his own devices, but that aren't so single-minded that skiing with his parents won't be a drag.

I'll look at your links — thanks.

 

[hrstrat57]

My last 2 ski days last season were spent on my near mint Solly 177 Spaceframe 1080's / Solly 914 bindings. They still ski awesome tho they aren't real fond of eastern "hardpack"

This old dog also loves twin tips.....

 

[Read Blinn]

My last 2 ski days last season were spent on my near mint Solly 177 Spaceframe 1080's / Solly 914 bindings. They still ski awesome tho they aren't real fond of eastern "hardpack"

Ha! Yes, some degree of edge-gripsterness would be useful, I believe.