Turn in steeps

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  1. paulski

    paulski At the base lodge Skier

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    Short of jump turns what major cues or tips help you make fast turns in steeps ? I tend to pick up too much speed and then go across for too long.
     
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  2. François Pugh

    François Pugh Out on the slopes Skier

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    When speed control is required, I prefer bicycle turns in steeps.
     
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  3. coskigirl

    coskigirl Making fresh tracks Skier

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    What do you mean by fast turns? Are you talking about overall speed or more like quick, slalom turns?
     
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  4. Rod9301

    Rod9301 Getting off the lift Skier

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    Then concentrate on scrubbing speed at the end of the turn. Once your skis are perpendicular to the fall line, soften the edges and just slip downhill, instead of across the hill.

    And think of cutting the first half of the turn with rotary, and start carving or brushing the second half only, to minimize the time you spent above and in the fall line.

    But if the snow is very rough ( lots of ski tracks that hardened), you can't brush the end of the turn, you have to be on clean edges, so it's a lot more difficult, so don't go there
     
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  5. Josh Matta

    Josh Matta Making fresh tracks Instructor

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    softening the downhill skis(inside) actively whether i am pivoting, turning, or jumping.
     
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  6. Fuller

    Fuller T shirts & flip flops... Skier

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    I'm guessing this would be sort of a backwards pedaling motion where the inside ski is lifted and pulled back aggressively? I'm surprised I don't know this term as long as I've been hanging around. Details please...
     
  7. Josh Matta

    Josh Matta Making fresh tracks Instructor

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  8. MattSmith

    MattSmith Getting on the lift Skier

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    ^^^
    Love the headband
     
  9. KevinF

    KevinF Gathermeister-Stowe Team Gathermeister

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    I was going to compliment the sideburns myself...
     
  10. Coach13

    Coach13 Getting off the lift Skier

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    I seem to have no issues turning on really steep double green runs.
     
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  11. James

    James Making fresh tracks Instructor

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    Patrick Vallencant!
    One of the early extreme skiers. But they skinned and hiked up everything with packs. Mountaineering. No choppers.
     
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  12. Erik Timmerman

    Erik Timmerman Making fresh tracks Instructor

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    When I read this post and think of a client that would say it, I'm picturing a person who actually doesn't need to turn faster, but probably someone who needs more patience in the fall line. Every turn needs a beginning, a middle and an end, and a lot of people who have trouble in the steeps are afraid to let the skis point down the hill in the middle part. They also are frequently unwilling to let go of the hill and start their new turn by releasing the old turn, by flattening the skis. Separation of the upper and lower body is crucial for completing these turns too. The smaller you want the turn to be, the more important it is.
     
  13. KevinF

    KevinF Gathermeister-Stowe Team Gathermeister

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    This. One thousand times this.

    Pedal hop turns were a fun diversion, but I'm guessing the OP is a long, long ways away from the type of "steep and narrow" terrain where jump turn variations become a practical consideration.
     
  14. markojp

    markojp mtn rep for the gear on my feet Industry Insider Instructor

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    Haven't seen anyone do a bicycle turn in a couple decades. Wider skis sort of obviated the need.
     
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  15. Chris V.

    Chris V. Putting on skis Skier

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    No fear. Not even a little bit.
     
  16. James

    James Making fresh tracks Instructor

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    I get the release part, but patience in the fall line? Please to explain.
     
  17. Erik Timmerman

    Erik Timmerman Making fresh tracks Instructor

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    Patience is relative. There is often more time than people think there is. Even in the bumps the ski should spend a little bit of time going down the hill (this whole stupid sport is called downhill skiing after all). Some skiers don't want to spend ANY time with the skis pointing down the hill. They are going to go to great lengths to keep that from happening. They are going to make the classic Z turns.
     
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  18. Erik Timmerman

    Erik Timmerman Making fresh tracks Instructor

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    Some crazy son of a bitch had to do what he just did while also carrying a heavy ass film camera.
     
  19. James

    James Making fresh tracks Instructor

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    Don't know who filmed but could have been Jean-Marc Boivin. Boivin was extreme in many areas besides skiing, Base jumping, ice climbing, paragliding.
    Vallencant was killed climbing in '89. Boivin Base jumping Angel Falls in '90.
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    Boivin(?). In the fall line.
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  20. Mike King

    Mike King AKA Habacomike Instructor

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    I agree 100% with the above. The only thing missing is the importance of the 5th fundamental: regulate the pressure created by the ski snow interface. You've got to be able to flex and extend to regulate the pressure that's created by steep skiing. The magic for me has been three things: flexing to "get short" at edge change, tipping the lower leg to flatten the skis and subsequently establish edge at the apex of the turn, and getting the outside hip stacked over the outside hip (when "short") at edge change.

    Mike
     

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