Ok, misunderstood what you were looking for. Here's my comments.
Yes, no doubt that in gates, you need to be quicker through the transition than in recreational skiing. And it is also true that Lorenz is finishing his turns more across the hill than the video of the WC skiers. But both of those are elements of choice, as opposed to technique. Can Lorenz make quicker transitions? Can he finish the turn down the hill as opposed to across? The video here doesn't say anything about that.
As to your point that you need to edge and weight the ski before the fall line, I don't think you'd have any disagreement with Lorenz or with most demo team members. The demo team members in Aspen are actually coaching that the weight needs to be transferred to the new outside ski BEFORE edge change -- not just before the fall line. The reason is to get the ski to bend early in the turn. So as the edge angle is built, the pressure is present to bend the ski. Our objective is to have the maximum redirection of the center of mass coming at the apex (or fall line) or very shortly thereafter. So early weight transfer, as well as establishing the platform that can accept that weight, needs to happen very early in the turn.
The level of inclination/angulation that I see in Lorenz and McGlashin's skiing has always amazed me but it has also seemed to be unachievable for me personally. Perhaps it is an issue of the difference in speed between the WC skiers and Lorenz? Lorenz did discuss this topic in a blog post he posted a while ago: https://www.paullorenzclinics.com/blog/angulation-or-inclination-what-s-the-point -- what's your thought on what he says there?
Personally, while I'd like to have the skill to achieve the level of angulation that Lorenz and McGlashin achieve, it looks to me to be a pose as opposed to a functional level.
I think that there is a difference in intent between a racer and Lorenz. A racer is looking to get off of the edge as quickly as possible as being on edge is slow. So, you want to get as short a redirection as possible. Lorenz, on the other hand, is looking to get a round turn that is progressive. Different intent, different technique. Similarly, I don't think Paul was looking to get maximum frequency out of his turns. I suspect Ted was warming up and trying to get everything moving as quickly as possible, while Paul was not.
Finally, I think your comment about being fully loaded and skeletally stacked is true, although we aim to be at that spot before the fall line.
Mike
Could you see difference in comparison with Lorenz?
- different timing - WC skiers are faster in transition and sooner have fully weighted outside ski.
In "Clean" carving turn on hard snow you must be sooner fully weighted before fall line.
Real radius in clean race carving depends mainly on phase of turn "before the fall-line" - "what you did not before fall line,
you can never do after". And if you are "late" fully edged AND weighted, you can not "tighten the radius" on ice in GS course.
(only with situational drift) in speed.
Lorenz and others are usually later finishing their turns - it means, that racer is "preparing" his next turn significantly sooner.
Yes, no doubt that in gates, you need to be quicker through the transition than in recreational skiing. And it is also true that Lorenz is finishing his turns more across the hill than the video of the WC skiers. But both of those are elements of choice, as opposed to technique. Can Lorenz make quicker transitions? Can he finish the turn down the hill as opposed to across? The video here doesn't say anything about that.
As to your point that you need to edge and weight the ski before the fall line, I don't think you'd have any disagreement with Lorenz or with most demo team members. The demo team members in Aspen are actually coaching that the weight needs to be transferred to the new outside ski BEFORE edge change -- not just before the fall line. The reason is to get the ski to bend early in the turn. So as the edge angle is built, the pressure is present to bend the ski. Our objective is to have the maximum redirection of the center of mass coming at the apex (or fall line) or very shortly thereafter. So early weight transfer, as well as establishing the platform that can accept that weight, needs to happen very early in the turn.
- more flexing than needed(Lorenz) for purpose and conditions - WC skiers use it different(mix CO/CU according need).
So this "demo" skiing is more for "effect"(so I said "ass to grass") than for race utilisation on ice.
Demo skier is often not in ideal skeletally stacked position with those hips(grass..), forces are not ideally tranferred into edges
and skis are not bent fully(as should be) and he can not tighten the radius(for GS course with tighter arcs than Lorenz shows).
Can you see that stronger position with less angulation in WC skiers? Not so much angulation and "grass".
You can also can a look at free skiing of Ted Ligety on 35m radius.
The level of inclination/angulation that I see in Lorenz and McGlashin's skiing has always amazed me but it has also seemed to be unachievable for me personally. Perhaps it is an issue of the difference in speed between the WC skiers and Lorenz? Lorenz did discuss this topic in a blog post he posted a while ago: https://www.paullorenzclinics.com/blog/angulation-or-inclination-what-s-the-point -- what's your thought on what he says there?
Personally, while I'd like to have the skill to achieve the level of angulation that Lorenz and McGlashin achieve, it looks to me to be a pose as opposed to a functional level.
- different "frequency" of turns - you can compare it with Ligety free skiing, how long lasts one turn. Demo skiers
are longer in one turn, cause is obviously that different timing with late transition and iniciation before fall line.
With radius 23m should be Paul´y frequency faster than Ted´s(on 35m skis), but it is oppostie - why?
In race carving(GS/SG...SL is specific "gymnastic" acitivity) you MUST be fully loaded and skeletally stacked
(for optimal force transfer info skis) BEFORE fall line, not AT fall line.
I think that there is a difference in intent between a racer and Lorenz. A racer is looking to get off of the edge as quickly as possible as being on edge is slow. So, you want to get as short a redirection as possible. Lorenz, on the other hand, is looking to get a round turn that is progressive. Different intent, different technique. Similarly, I don't think Paul was looking to get maximum frequency out of his turns. I suspect Ted was warming up and trying to get everything moving as quickly as possible, while Paul was not.
Finally, I think your comment about being fully loaded and skeletally stacked is true, although we aim to be at that spot before the fall line.
Mike