Ski School Videos by Elate Media

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  1. James

    James Skiing the powder Instructor

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    Why no sideslipping?
     
  2. Corgski

    Corgski Putting on skis Skier

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    The video I referred to is sold at his site (Eliminate the wedge #3, Super Phantom eVideo). I like the newer materials and feel they are worth paying for but their materials do need some reorganization, it can be hard to know where to start. My impression is that attempts to target PMTS for absolute beginners is fairly limited, their primary market are skiers looking to develop advanced skills, with ski racing being a key focus. This does not mean one cannot repackage some of what they do for a beginner progression, it is just not what they are trying to do. I see they have a new Direct Parallel series which seems to be more beginner focused.
     
  3. LiquidFeet

    LiquidFeet Out on the slopes Instructor

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    All PMTS turns are edge-based and edge-initiated, including brushed turns.
    But to get an answer that's aligned with PMTS orthodoxy, you'd have to ask the man himself.
     
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    Coach13

    Coach13 Out on the slopes Skier

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    I’m sure he will be glad to take your money regardless of level.
     
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  5. Roundturns

    Roundturns Booting up Skier

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    I was told 500 campers a year funnel through the camps. I would have to believe HH bottom line is very good. Good for him. He successfully developed his own product and following.

    I have no idea what the top PSIA people make but would bet the farm HH is way better compensated. Like a lot of business successes, if you can develop a successful niche in an industry you can do very well.
     


  6. Chris V.

    Chris V. Getting on the lift Skier

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    Oh, I haven't seen any of the new paid materials, so I'm in no position to comment. My remarks were addressed to his free video segments, and as I said, the target audience for those could have been made more clear, it was really ambiguous. I agree that Harb's methods are geared more to a pathway to racing, although they could certainly be useful for skiers with other goals. I think that skiers can benefit a lot from his insights and progressions, but would favor using a more varied set of pathways and skill developments than seem to be included in Harb's teaching regimens. He's opinionated, of course, and can be hard to take in more than small doses.

    Hats off to anyone who can actually make a good living in the ski instruction world (rare enough), if he's truly helping people.

    I can't say one way or the other, but I always wanted to get beginner rock solid confident making a straight run to a return slope in good posture and balance before even attempting the first turn. Good balance makes everything else easy, and bad balance makes everything else well nigh impossible.

    We still don't seem to have the video marjoram_sage was seeking, unfortunately.
     
  7. James

    James Skiing the powder Instructor

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    But to get from one set of edges to the other you have to.... like...flatten them.

    I suspect it's because in order to say stay in a corridor there would likely be some leg steering.
     
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  8. LiquidFeet

    LiquidFeet Out on the slopes Instructor

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    Someone who is a PMTS follower needs to address this one. Maybe there's someone here who can do that.
    But I'll give it a go anyway.

    --In PMTS there is no leg steering allowed. That's a Very Big Deal. This is a signature difference between PMTS and everything else.
    --Skier releases (flattens) and tips the new inside ski with appropriate foot and leg movements, and both skis will turn.
    --Skier keeps tipping that inside ski to sharpen the bottom of the turn.
    --Throughout the turn, the skier does appropriate stuff with the upper body to direct weight to the outside ski.
    --The outside ski will either track (arc-to-arc) or "brush."
    --"Bullet Proof Short Turns," which will travel downhill in a narrow corridor, are brushed.
    --The skier determines whether the skis track or brush, but not with "leg steering."
    --The control comes from how the skier tips each ski....
    --and maybe also with how the CoM is positioned over that outside ski (this last is an assumption on my part).

    --Femurs rotate in hip sockets to accommodate the turn the skis are making.
    --Femur rotation (leg steering) is a response to how the skis are turning, whether carving or brushing. It's not a cause of brushing.
    --Femurs do not rotate in hip sockets because the skier intentionally rotates the skis to sharpen the turn. This is a big no-no in PMTS.
     
  9. ToddW

    ToddW Outa Here ... No Longer Active on Pugski Skier

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    Pivot slips are bad juju in P__S plain and simple. However, sideslips have their place in drills. Falling leaf type drills to sense fore-aft. Learning to untip a downhill ski to flat en route to developing a weighted release. Etc. In actual skiing, sideslips with pole drags have some utility in whiteout conditions with visibility under four ski lengths when you have to get a group off the glacier after vertigo sets in without going past the piste’s edge (where lurk crevasses, cliffs, etc.) Slipping on flat edges is also a safety move when out of control snowboarders appear.

    The difference is that sideslips per se do not irreversibly damage one’s skiing (from that viewpoint) whereas pivot slips do so perniciously. Now performing any sort of active rotary while sideslipping brings about the same bad juju as pivot slips do.
     
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  10. Josh Matta

    Josh Matta Making fresh tracks Instructor

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    since your in the northeast, would you like to come show me how you ski off piste in the northeast with out ever doing any sort of active rotary?

    I still have yet to see it and I have been asking PMTSer for years to show it.

    skiing on trail that look like this



    basically stupid icey weirdly shaped moguls, with rocks and ice in the trough lines.
     
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  11. James

    James Skiing the powder Instructor

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    That doesn't happen at Abay. Strictly groomers.
     
  12. Tricia

    Tricia The Velvet Hammer Admin Pugski Ski Tester

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    I agree that some of the videos demonstrate it well, but I've also seen some regression by a few skiers who became immersed in it and didn't seek other teaching techniques to compliment it.
     
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  13. Dudeabides

    Dudeabides Booting up Skier

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    That particular line of videos I've found to be impressively accurate and extremely well presented. Great production value, excellent descriptions of what's going on. If I knew anyone out there who wanted to learn from square one without taking a single lesson I wouldn't hesitate to recommend these videos.

    ...Of course, as has been said, they aren't a replacement for good instruction. Personalized feedback in the moment with directions for improvement can't be undervalued.

    Edit: Also, Josh, those bumps aren't icy I don't know what you're on about.
     
  14. Josh Matta

    Josh Matta Making fresh tracks Instructor

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    yeah again snow coming up doesnt mean they are powder....

    should have videos the same trail today. :roflmao:
     
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  15. Bolder

    Bolder Getting on the lift Skier

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    The Elate videos are more for inspiration for me -- good production values, can't comment on the tips, but some of the level 5/6 stuff seems useful. Another interesting thing is that he teaches at Serre Chevalier, a great intermediate (and quite large) ski station near Briancon in the southern French Alps. I highly recommend it.
     

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