I'm going with courtesy & common sense.
I try to live my life that way
I'm going with courtesy & common sense.
where there rule has the biggest impact is on Cat tracks. Im fine with that rule on open runs where people have room to maneuver . The rule is outdated because it places the skier/snowboarder ahead completely immune to any and all rules, including making skiing/riding in a hazardous manner perfectly fine. It literally makes it legal for a snowboarder to crash Into you as you are safely passing even if they said, its ok to pass. I've seen it and experienced it many times. Todays mindset is not as it was in the past. You have people wearing headphones/ear buds that cant hear anything and they dont care. You have people trying to do tricks on cat tracks causing mass collisions and people skiing off the edges trying to avoid collisions when they ski up the side of the run and do a 180 and ski/ride back across the cat track. This happens often and its perfectly legal to do so.. This is literally like saying to drivers, as long as you are in front of another driver, feel free to swerve, drive sideways, turn around and drive the wrong way or slam into another driver as long as you are in front,. And, as long as you hit them from the side, its no fault.
replace "ski in a dangerous manner" with "fall" and see if your analysis still seems reasonable.this is not the thread for this and I do not agree with your explanation. you literally just said its OK for people to ski/ride in a dangerous manner and its up to the 300 skiers funneling into a 10 yard wide runout to avoid them. there is simply not enough room for all skiers to spread out and adjust for unrealistic skiing environments such as skiers skiing across a cat track. Skiers and riders are expected to ski downhill. A cat track serves as a vehicle to transport skiers/rider towards ski runs they should not be classified as a ski run as they consolidate skiers and place them into unrealistic and unique skiing environments. They should have different rules to help skiers and riders ski in a more organized, predictable and safe manner.
sure you did. you just said its completely the responsibility of the skier behind to avoid the person in front regardless of their actions. it's easy and a loophole for the resorts.
Yeah. It happens. But I'd say on average I see bikes causing way more problems than people.Wow, that make no sense but, its the law I guess. Its actually a safety hazard to make a biker get off a bike during a difficult climb (unclip) and then try to restart pedaling (get back on the bike, clip back in while balancing) on an incline or unstable terrain.
One pet peeve I do have is when anyone standing and talking obstructing the trail. Besides being rude, its a major safety issue. Many years a group of people (2 families) were standing on a trail blocking both directions and yelled at me because I asked them to move as I approached to pass.
Often leading to the debate of Red vs Gray.
There are going to be extreme situations to argue against any rule, but for the significant majority of the time it makes sense to put the responsibility of the skier behind to avoid the person in front.sure you did. you just said its completely the responsibility of the skier behind to avoid the person in front regardless of their actions. it's easy and a loophole for the resorts.
It's a tricky thing..the logic is, you force a car "pass" when two-abreast. When it's single file, the car may try to squeeze and squeeze someone right off the road. It's aggravating, I get it..but from the cyclists point of view it's arguably safer, until you get drunk/sleepy/angry guy behind you..Yeah. It happens. But I'd say on average I see bikes causing way more problems than people.
My biggest pet peeve is road cyclists riding side by side with each other. They know they're a major inconvenience for cars but they do it anyway because they like to ride that way. And I find rarely do they ever make an attempt to go back to single file when a car approaches even on very narrow roads.
What can I do, I have to deal with it and patiently slow down until it is safe to pass even if that takes a while. But I think they are crazy as I wouldn't want to put my life on the line assuming that a driver is going to act safely.
Yeah. It happens. But I'd say on average I see bikes causing way more problems than people.
My biggest pet peeve is road cyclists riding side by side with each other. They know they're a major inconvenience for cars but they do it anyway because they like to ride that way. And I find rarely do they ever make an attempt to go back to single file when a car approaches even on very narrow roads.
What can I do, I have to deal with it and patiently slow down until it is safe to pass even if that takes a while. But I think they are crazy as I wouldn't want to put my life on the line assuming that a driver is going to act safely.
It literally makes it legal for a snowboarder to crash Into you as you are safely passing even if they said, its ok to pass. I've seen it and experienced it many times. Todays mindset is not as it was in the past.
well, lets not resort to personal attacks out of frustration. ! I have had one collision on a cat track in which a snowboarder ran sideways into me and the patroller said it was fine since it was a sideways Collision. Again, as I was skiing in a safe manner and as I was passing him, he suddenly without looking turned left and hit me
We've had some intersting discussion come up in the Mountain Bike 2020 Stoke thread about sharing the trails with hikers.
This is important discussion so its been moved to this thread.
This is much like the outdated rule of the skier in front ALWAYS has the right of way, even when they are skiing/riding in an unsafe manner.
Probably even more common is driving and texting to be concerned about as well.I get it..but from the cyclists point of view it's arguably safer, until you get drunk/sleepy/angry guy behind you..