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Scary - lift roll back in Georgia
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Funny thing is we rolled our truck and camper three weeks ago going skiing and it felt in slow motion. Then nothing till everything stopped moving. Don't know if you black out or cannot comprehend something happening that fast. Crashed on skis going fast as well and on sleds but that never happened. Luckily no real injurys. Totaled truck. All the first responders were great. Felt strange getting the help instead of giving it. The chairlift accident in Georgia reminds me of the video they use in training. You Tube video Eskimo chairlift.
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After a 12 foot cliff drop into double eject faceplant this weekend, I can attest the the facts that: 1) I suck, and 2) the skis and bindings provide enough give to help avoid injury. Even worse is that my wife has it on video.
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Link to video please thank you.
Maybe someday. I usually do fine but I think this time I got a rolling start and when I jumped, instead of pushing off on a solid surface I pushed off the powerdery end of the rock so I propelled foward like superman rather than upright like a normal person.
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Some fairly well-informed comments over on liftblog.com:
https://liftblog.com/2018/03/16/high-speed-rollback-in-georgia-injures-eight/
https://liftblog.com/2018/03/16/high-speed-rollback-in-georgia-injures-eight/
Interesting speculation from guy on last comment:
My thoughts (speculating)
– The lift is down because of mountain power
– The operator/maintenance person want to get people off of the lift
– Said person opens the cover on the gearbox/motor cover and disengages the high speed rollback device
– The brakes are opened manually so that the load (skiers) can come back down. This can be done very carefully as long as the brake operator is using the brakes to regulate the speed of the lift
– The brake operator unintentionally fully opens the brakes and doesn’t know how to close the brakes
I almost hope this was operator error as that might help me sleep a little better.
"– The brake operator unintentionally fully opens the brakes and doesn’t know how to close the brakes"
If that's the case, it sucks to be him!
If that's the case, it sucks to be him!
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As far as straddling the bars, some areas have a bar at each seat. I think it was Alta or Snowbird at the gathering that had that. If you're 6 up on a six pack you have a bar between your legs.
I don’t know what all the fuss is about. I think it is pretty obvious that skiers would make better protein shakes than would most other types of people.
Way too much work with the small batch machine.
Stratton’s old Starship 12
The old cabins would serve nicely as an industrial sized unit. Fits 12 with skis inside. Imagine a roll back with one of this.
Pâté, anyone?
Stratton’s old Starship 12
The old cabins would serve nicely as an industrial sized unit. Fits 12 with skis inside. Imagine a roll back with one of this.
Pâté, anyone?
I was looking for some follow-up and here's the spin:
In the aftermath, the nation of Georgia has gone into damage control mode, offering to pay medical expenses for all of those injured in the accident, and trying to assuage safety concerns among prospective tourists.
Giorgi Chogovadze, head of Georgia’s tourism administration, expressed the government’s invitation to those injured and their families to return to Georgia, reports Al Jazeera.
“It made us very happy that all of them are interested and expressed their wish to visit us again. In the next winter season, those injured and their companions will be invited, and all of their expenses will be covered by the Georgian Mountain Resorts Development Company,” he said.
And from someone on the lift: (This is the FB translation)
The accident on the cable car in gudauri decided to write too, because unlike many media and throw analysts, I was personally at the scene of the events and myself jumping with impressive. Indeed, for some reason, both brakes did not work, the operator (he) could not do more. Kanatka rolling by my feel meters on 300-400. Really all started jump with lifts, who was closer to lower support, the lucky less, but some of them quickly reacted and jumped. It's good that the day before it was snowing and the slope was soft. I had to jump 8 Feet at high speed myself. It was scary, but there were no other options. Some of the rescuers were there. They were very fast-looking for anyone who needed help. I also helped everyone who needed help. To date, 11 victims, of whom only one person under the supervision of doctors, are feeling well and have been assisted in time. Everybody's alive. After an operational evacuation, the rescue of rescue workers and volunteers at the top of the mountain was immediately arranged for the organization to save the works and remove the people with the impressive that were hovering. All groups worked professionally and quickly. People thanked the rescuers for their professionalism. Saved the operation for about 1,5 hours. I was also one of the rescue teams helping to speed up the process. (asked people to drop their gear, neatly folded it, and showed them where to pick it up, constantly cut the rope so that it wouldn't be was and rescuers could do what they had to do and the details)
Bottom line: the brakes didn't work, why, no data yet. Today, international specialists from the company company will find out what happened. We're waiting for the results.
The resort reacted very quickly to the accident and worked at 200 %.
There's a lot of media in the media right now, please don't spread or cause unnecessary panic.
The State of Georgia is helping the victims at its expense.
We're waiting for forensics!
In the aftermath, the nation of Georgia has gone into damage control mode, offering to pay medical expenses for all of those injured in the accident, and trying to assuage safety concerns among prospective tourists.
Giorgi Chogovadze, head of Georgia’s tourism administration, expressed the government’s invitation to those injured and their families to return to Georgia, reports Al Jazeera.
“It made us very happy that all of them are interested and expressed their wish to visit us again. In the next winter season, those injured and their companions will be invited, and all of their expenses will be covered by the Georgian Mountain Resorts Development Company,” he said.
And from someone on the lift: (This is the FB translation)
The accident on the cable car in gudauri decided to write too, because unlike many media and throw analysts, I was personally at the scene of the events and myself jumping with impressive. Indeed, for some reason, both brakes did not work, the operator (he) could not do more. Kanatka rolling by my feel meters on 300-400. Really all started jump with lifts, who was closer to lower support, the lucky less, but some of them quickly reacted and jumped. It's good that the day before it was snowing and the slope was soft. I had to jump 8 Feet at high speed myself. It was scary, but there were no other options. Some of the rescuers were there. They were very fast-looking for anyone who needed help. I also helped everyone who needed help. To date, 11 victims, of whom only one person under the supervision of doctors, are feeling well and have been assisted in time. Everybody's alive. After an operational evacuation, the rescue of rescue workers and volunteers at the top of the mountain was immediately arranged for the organization to save the works and remove the people with the impressive that were hovering. All groups worked professionally and quickly. People thanked the rescuers for their professionalism. Saved the operation for about 1,5 hours. I was also one of the rescue teams helping to speed up the process. (asked people to drop their gear, neatly folded it, and showed them where to pick it up, constantly cut the rope so that it wouldn't be was and rescuers could do what they had to do and the details)
Bottom line: the brakes didn't work, why, no data yet. Today, international specialists from the company company will find out what happened. We're waiting for the results.
The resort reacted very quickly to the accident and worked at 200 %.
There's a lot of media in the media right now, please don't spread or cause unnecessary panic.
The State of Georgia is helping the victims at its expense.
We're waiting for forensics!
Failure to start the backup generator. Human error.
http://unofficialnetworks.com/2018/...als-chairlift-rollback-caused-by-human-error/
http://unofficialnetworks.com/2018/...als-chairlift-rollback-caused-by-human-error/
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how often has the operator been trained to react on what to do? You cant just tell a worker one time what to do and then (after who knows how much time never having to do it) then react to do so.
But I don't get why this would even require an operator do to anything. The lift goes backwards and with todays tech that just shouldn't happen even without an operator imo. This is like saying an elevator needs an operator should a cable fail. I mean I don't know the mechanical workings of a chair lift but I do understand pulleys, gears, cables, motors, etc.... But other than the disaster of a cable breaking I find it hard to swallow that a roll back is even possible. Is not an automatic emergency roll back breaking system (and with back up too) something that is in place? I would even think by design (especially nowadays) that the lift is only capable of going in one direction and impossible to turn the other way unless you actually have to then disengage something purposely in order to go the other way intentionally. I just found it hard to believe it could even happen today and that it even needs an operator to do anything to stop it from happening.
But I don't get why this would even require an operator do to anything. The lift goes backwards and with todays tech that just shouldn't happen even without an operator imo. This is like saying an elevator needs an operator should a cable fail. I mean I don't know the mechanical workings of a chair lift but I do understand pulleys, gears, cables, motors, etc.... But other than the disaster of a cable breaking I find it hard to swallow that a roll back is even possible. Is not an automatic emergency roll back breaking system (and with back up too) something that is in place? I would even think by design (especially nowadays) that the lift is only capable of going in one direction and impossible to turn the other way unless you actually have to then disengage something purposely in order to go the other way intentionally. I just found it hard to believe it could even happen today and that it even needs an operator to do anything to stop it from happening.
An emergency braking system that relies on power being available is bogus, just screams designer/engineer hired for reason other than competence.
It was an engineering flaw that allowed the human error to happen.
With all due respect to lift ops, they should not have the power to make a mistake like that.
Anyone know if that is the case here in North America? I'm hoping and guessing it's not. If it is, I'm a whole lot less comfortable getting on a lift with my kiddos tomorrow.
With all due respect to lift ops, they should not have the power to make a mistake like that.
Anyone know if that is the case here in North America? I'm hoping and guessing it's not. If it is, I'm a whole lot less comfortable getting on a lift with my kiddos tomorrow.
This video talks about this in detail
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