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Can one order just brakes for a demo binding? Are they the same as the non demo Warden? Ski is106mm.
 
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Asking for a friend....
Can one order just brakes for a demo binding? Are they the same as the non demo Warden? Ski is106mm.
I beleive it is the same brake as the retail one, you can let your friend know.
 

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They look weirdly identical to Attacks. I know those are different designs, but most modern bindings with the exception of Look have converged on an almost universal design. I like Attacks and I am sure I will like the Wardens. I still much prefer a retail binding to a demo one, but that is irrelevant for a test ski.
 

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Pugski.com is proud to announce that it has chosen Salomon as the official binding of its test fleet. When testing skis, we look to remove as many variables as we can; using the same binding on every ski allows us to concentrate on a ski’s performance without worrying whether the binding is affecting the results. Salomon’s Warden MNC 13 DT has one of the lowest stand heights of any two-part demo binding; this allows a test ski to perform more like it would with a typical retail binding. Owner Phil Pugliese is excited about the relationship: "Bindings are about confidence, and I have been using Salomon bindings off and on since the mid-1970s, going back to the 727. The Warden MNC 13 DT will allow us to get the most out of our test fleet for our readers."

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I have used salomon bindings before my 727 bindings. I have some on a couple of skis that I have now. I have never had a problem with any of them. I am interested to see what your reviews of the Warden MNC 13 bindings say. I did buy the Attack 13 and find them to be spot on to your review and really like them.
 

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I don't know, we took calipers and measured the heel vs. toe height of my Attacks (admittedly non-demo, but all 3 pair I own) and my Warden 13 demos, and the Wardens are same toe and heel height, but the Attacks measure almost 5mm higher in the heel.

Anyway, I do like the Wardens a lot and was admittedly surprised that the Attacks (according to our on-ski measurements) were not flat at all. I could feel it when testing skis, too.
 

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Can one order just brakes for a demo binding? Are they the same as the non demo Warden? Ski is106mm.
Yes, the part number is the same for the regular Warden MNC and the Warden MNC Demo.

According to the parts catalog I found online when looking for myself last week, the part number for 115 mm Warden MNC 13 brakes is L3512430025, for Warden MNC 11 brakes it is L3816300025.
 
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Brake options for Sth2 13, Sth 2 16, Warden 13 and Warden 13 Demo:
  • 80mm L3512430010
  • 90mm L3512430015
  • 100mm L3512430020
  • 115mm L3512430025
  • 130mm L3512430030
 
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I don't know, we took calipers and measured the heel vs. toe height of my Attacks (admittedly non-demo, but all 3 pair I own) and my Warden 13 demos, and the Wardens are same toe and heel height, but the Attacks measure almost 5mm higher in the heel.
I just measured both demo binding, rounding the the nearest millimeter...
  • Warden demo:
    • Toe: 27mm
    • Heel: 30mm
  • Attack 2 13 demo:
    • Toe: 31mm
    • Heel: 34mm
 

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I just measured both demo binding, rounding the the nearest millimeter...
  • Warden demo:
    • Toe: 27mm
    • Heel: 30mm
  • Attack 2 13 demo:
    • Toe: 31mm
    • Heel: 34mm
4mm is about 1/8 inch. I don't know, but I think that for most skiers that is not enough of a height difference to bother to factor in to a buying decision.
 

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4mm is about 1/8 inch. I don't know, but I think that for most skiers that is not enough of a height difference to bother to factor in to a buying decision.
@DanoT Remember
This is a demo binding

Consumers usually do not select these or even have the option to select them most of the time

It may be useful for demo considerations but I seriously doubt that will be that much of a factor
 

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@DanoT Remember
This is a demo binding

Consumers usually do not select these or even have the option to select them most of the time

It may be useful for demo considerations but I seriously doubt that will be that much of a factor
This is one(emphasis on one) consideration for us when considering what demo bindings we use to give the pugski members the most "consumer" feel when trying a ski.

If you're skiing two different demo bindings on the same ski with the same mount point, you may feel a significant difference.
 

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Can you get just the tracks?
I'm looking for thw tracks that fit XDR 88 system demo bindings. I assume they're the same?
 
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Can you get just the tracks?
I'm looking for thw tracks that fit XDR 88 system demo bindings. I assume they're the same?
No, and yes they are the same.
 

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Congrat's Phil & Pugski Team on getting a further endorsement from such a reputable company.
It shows that Pugski is a community with great traction and Eyes-On from the manufacturers. What goes on here matters.

I have been an Attack 13 Demo guy for the last many years on my many mid-fat skis.
They have quite low stand-height but not GW/WTR/MBS compatible ... not that it matters to me.
The new Attack2 demo does support the new boots, but higher stand-height

I have in transit from Scott/Dawgcatching some 2019 SR88 with the Warden 13 Demos, so I'll be curious if I can discern a "feel" of that binding once they arrive.
 

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We had a couple skis with Look demo bindings on them. What a huge clunky POS. We've switched pretty much everything over to the Attacks. We only have a couple skis with fixed mount bindings, both are Renouns. The Citadels in 191 have the Atomic Shift binding and I will be putting Salomon STH2's on the Z-90's (new) when they arrive later this year. I've enjoyed having the Attack demos on our skis because it has allowed @ChunderBlunder and myself the ability to take turns riding everything we own and to play with fore/aft center and learn to get a feel for how the skis perform when center point is moved. It also allows me to set them up for friends and family.
 

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