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Utah Powmow/Snowbasin Road Trip

Jeff N

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After a light early season, Leading up to the week before Christmas, our plan was to get the motorhome out and head for the snow.

It didn't quite go as planned.

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On 12/16, we were forecast to get rain turning to snow- and then a lot of snow. If we were going to go, we needed to go Friday afternoon.

Unfortunately, I got home on Friday and found a few inches already down. Still after clearing out the snow, I still thought there was a chance to get the camper out of the driveway- and it almost made it. With one foot to go to get onto the road, the rear axle slipped sideways and off the driveway- and then it rained all night capped with a inch of snow to freeze it solid. Several calls to winch out a motorhome, after an ice storm, at the top of a mountain, were met with laughter and I am sure some people thought it was a prank call.

This guy agreed to come- with a truck that weighed less than the tow.- and after an hour of working things inch by inch he got us out! It wasn't exactly cheap, but it was definitely fair.

Next step- confirming the destination! We'd discussed both Powder Mountain/Snowbasin or Powderhorn/Sunlight/Aspen, and on the road decided we still wanted to try Powmow.

We drove 450 miles through the night, 2 lane roads most of the way (through Moab, Price, over Soldier Summit, and up I15 to our fine accommodations in a WalMart parking lot in Ogden. Left around noon, got there right around midnight was tired. Slept.

We caught the bus (after almost missing it- didn't realize there are only a few trips a day!) and got ourselves put together in the very low-key lodge.

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It was COLD. It hit -11 the night before. We ended up burning a full tank of propane heating the camper over the course of two days. A typical winter ski trip gets us a week of heat before we need to get a fill.

For being two days post storm (and Paradise not open for the season!) things looked pretty good.

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Really good.
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Like... Wow.

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This place is, um, large. The mountain in the background is inbounds, hike-to terrain. The ridge center-right is the top terminal of the Paradise lift.

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The snow didn't disappoint.
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This is inbounds and lift served to the Horizon. Or, ski off the backside down to the road and get picked up by free shuttle. Is this the largest ski area in North America? Probably not by traditional measure- but it is HUGE.

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"Short Snort"
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Looks tall from another perspective.
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Riding Hidden Lake, scouting.
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But, it was cold, so Anne went to warm up and I decided to grab another lap on the above terrain- which means a handle tow ride!
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People don't really seem to ski trees here, even when they are 30 feet apart...
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Over off the Sunrise platter. Nice mellow terrain.
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Good for a few laps.
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I traversed into the Lakeview area, which is typically accessed by Paradise.

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It was good.
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Well, that's day 1 pictures. I've got lots more, but it is getting late- I'll post more later.
 

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Glad I got to meet you, if ever so briefly! We've gotten POUNDED with more snow (28 inches in the past 3 days!) If you decide to come back, maybe I'll ski with you more!
 

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Nice TR.

We are considering leaving our touring setups at home and hitting PowMo for two days on our big trip (free w/ our Loveland passes). Looks huge and empty.

Anyone with ideas on places near by we could sleep in our camper?
 
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Nice TR.

We are considering leaving our touring setups at home and hitting PowMo for two days on our big trip (free w/ our Loveland passes). Looks huge and empty.

Anyone with ideas on places near by we could sleep in our camper?

We dirtbagged it in the Eden Park and Ride lot for 4 nights- no hassles. The police made a sweep every night and I am sure they were aware we were parking overnight. No issues.

Chris' is an RV Park in Huntsville, UT (close to Snowbasin). We filled propane there. Not 100% that their RV park is open in Winter but it looked that way.
 
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Day 2, we were lucky enough to catch the day Powmow opened Paradise for the season. With the Paradise lift spinning, it essentially doubled the size of the ski area and made it much taller. Powmow also has two new lifts this year expanding their lift served terrain, but they were still in the final stages of inspection and did not open.

Cobabe Canyon. Most of it is pretty mellow, and once you hit the valley floor of the draining, you have a LONG cat track return to Paradise. Want to get back to Cobabe? Sure thing. Just ride Paradise, Ski Lakeview down to Hidden Lake chair, ski down to the Sunrise Platter, and then traverse back. The lift layout at PowMow is weird. You have two lifts that bring you back up the mountain (Paradise and Hidden Lake) and other lifts that boost you into another drainage (Timberline, SaddleHorn and Sunrise). The result is that a lot of terrain will mean riding 2 or more lifts.

It does wonders for the powder preservation.
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The long return to Paradise...
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Base of Paradise.There were about ten people milling around a lift serving a few thousand acres of terrain. Even from a Wolf Creek guy, the lack of competition for powder is mind blowing.

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The terrain is pretty undersold too. I've been looking into a trip to powmow for years. I'd hear a common refrain that the terrain wasn't very good. Plenty of people called Powmow flat, even people I met skiing there. If Powder Mountain is flat, so is Silverton. There is plenty of mellow terrain, but there is some pretty damned tasty stuff too, and quite a good amount.
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Tons of good looking, technical steeps.
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High winds were starting to buff the snow on exposed areas. Still skied great,
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Note- we drove our motorhome up the mountain this day. We got some weird looks. The road is quite steep, and I wouldn't try it on anything other than dry roads, but for somebody used to driving an RV over Red Mountain, it wasn't terribly daunting.
 

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Hey Jeff,
How did your wife like those Star 7 skis for those conditions? I just bought myself some very cheap ones off ebay thinking exactly of that area and that kind of day.
 

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I'm actually on saffrons in those pictures. I have a pair of S7s that I use for deep snow, but the saffrons are good for crud and bumps. I used them at powmow because the groomers were VERY firm, and I struggle with edging on firm snow on the S7s. I think the stars would be great for powmow. They are more forgiving, have a lot of float, and you can smear turns in the trees much more easily.
 
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Day 3 we ran over to Snowbasin and skied with @AmyPJ. They are simultaneously a few minutes and Worlds apart. Powmow has a dirtbag vibe, at Snowbasin everything is so nice you expect somebody to yell at you for walking around the place in ski boots. Aspen's on-mountain Amenities look positively low-rent by comparison.

Obligatory Bathroom shot. The entire ski resort is done up in marble and mohogany.
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Conditions were pretty tough. The storm we'd been skiing the leavings of over the past two days started with rain on the leading edge. High winds at Snowbasin had scoured much of the snow away, leaving pretty wretched conditions down low. Super great windbuff above the rain line though- about the upper 1/3 of the mountain. Conditions were such that you really wished a lot of the terrain wasn't served by top to bottom lifts..

Pork Barrel. Super fun.Main Street under Strawberry was also awesome windbuff.
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Looking back up.
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AmyPJ, Janeskis, and Sierra.
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Riding Middle Bowl chair.
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A little bit of Demoisy Peak in frame.
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We decided to make another lap of Park Barrel.
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Wildflower finish was the final stretch of the Women's Downhill course. It was nasty, with clear ice on the backside of each mogul.

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Loading John Paul.
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Terrain looked good, but knowing how Wildflower skied I had no interest in skiing any of the top to bottom stuff on this side.
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John Paul Face skied decently but inconsistently.
 

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Hey, I know those people!
Conditions are VASTLY better now. And they weren't horrible then. Come on back!!
 

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Yes we are! :)
I'm working in one of the yellow jackets. I'll be on the plaza harassing people as they arrive in the morning ogwink then out on the hill with a couple of my coworkers gathering surveys and doing host-y stuff. Not sure where the surveys will take us today (we have a set agenda laid out for us) but I have a feeling John Paul is on the list. They groomed the men's start, BTW. Not that you'll be after groomers, but that's kind of a classic run to hit when it's been groomed.

If you see me, say HI! I'll have my nametag on. So you'll know it's me. Should be skiing Kastle's today.
 

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I'm working in one of the yellow jackets. I'll be on the plaza harassing people as they arrive in the morning ogwink then out on the hill with a couple of my coworkers gathering surveys and doing host-y stuff. Not sure where the surveys will take us today (we have a set agenda laid out for us) but I have a feeling John Paul is on the list. They groomed the men's start, BTW. Not that you'll be after groomers, but that's kind of a classic run to hit when it's been groomed.

If you see me, say HI! I'll have my nametag on. So you'll know it's me. Should be skiingill Kastle's today.

Groomers are perfect! We don't discriminate!

I will see you soon,
 

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Groomers are perfect! We don't discriminate!

I will see you soon,
Well, as you probably know, Snowbasin has some of the best groomers that go from top to bottom, of ANY mountain. And they are FAST right now. Did you know our 2 gondolas and JP lift are the 3 longest lifts in UT? You get some serious vertical on one run!

Sisters Bowl I heard was a hoot yesterday. I'm not allowed off-piste while working so I can't report directly. But the snow is holding up well. I'm sure there's some good stuff in the trees off JP, too. Lone Tree should still be really soft, and the cirques are open if you want to hike. I love riding Porky lift and watching people ski Porky Cirque.
 

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Well, as you probably know, Snowbasin has some of the best groomers that go from top to bottom, of ANY mountain. And they are FAST right now. Did you know our 2 gondolas and JP lift are the 3 longest lifts in UT? You get some serious vertical on one run!

Sisters Bowl I heard was a hoot yesterday. I'm not allowed off-piste while working so I can't report directly. But the snow is holding up well. I'm sure there's some good stuff in the trees off JP, too. Lone Tree should still be really soft, and the cirques are open if you want to hike. I love riding Porky lift and watching people ski Porky Cirque.

You're speaking in a language with which I'm not familiar! :)

We are in full on tourist mode today...just going to go where our feet (and the chairlifts!) take us.

We will see you soon!
 

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OK, I want a full report! I'm sorry I couldn't give a mountain tour--I would loved to have! It was skiing nicely today!
 

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If anyone wants to play tour guide my buddies and I will likely be skiing PowMo on the 30th. Three decently skilled skiers/riders who like freshies, hiking and occasionally hucking our meat.
 
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Day 4- Back to Powmow.

It had snowed about an inch the night before. I was optimistic the snow would refresh stuff and blow in to what we had been skiing on since we got there, and it did somewhat. However, Temps had come way up during our day at Snowbasin, and temps and wind created a crust under that 1" of new snow. A dusting of snow. Over a crust. Dust on Crust, if you will.

To be completely accurate, dust on breakable crust.

I spent most of my ski day struggling to get in a rhythm. The dust on crust would have been fine- it may have even been great as there was plenty of terrain that was STILL untracked from the storm 5 days prior, so warp speed carving would have been stellar. But, punching a ski through the crust every 4th or 5th turn leads to some really timid skiing.

Also, Fog. At times, this was the foggiest day I have ever skied. I've had similar (lack of) visibility in nuking snowstorms, but at least there, the flakes falling give perspective. Skiing with maybe 15' visibility in fog was an experience.


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When you could get above the fog, it was a beautiful day.
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Heading down the lift line to check out...
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Powder Chamber.
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I was kicking myself for waiting for the last day of my trip to get over here. The terrain is a big bowl with some scattered trees. From what I understand this area was logged when Paradise lift was opened (and that they used a snowcat to do it, so stumps are a few feet high when not buried by snow!) Reminded me a lot of the Back Bowls, with a few degrees more slope and a few thousand less people.

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Stump.
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A little of Lightning Ridge in the background.
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Lightning Ridge middle frame, James Peak behind. They were bombing it the whole time we were there, but sadly it did not open. You can Hike or get a snowcat ride up for something like $25.
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Fog coming back.My legs were not coming back. After 4 straight days of skiing, I had no stamina left...
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Looking up from the Cat track down to Paradise at (I believe) Saddle Chute. The rocky, technical aspects reminded me a lot of the North Face at CB... Gotta save something for another trip...

I got off the mountain at 2:00, shucked off my ski gear, and started towards Colorado Springs to meet family for Christmas. We had a storm bearing down on us, so instead of doing most of the driving the following day as we intended we just kept on going. Drove I-80 through Wyoming, then down I-25. Got to my inlaw's house just before 1:00 AM. Tired doesn't really describe it. I remember living on the front range and driving close to 3 hours each way to hit up places like Monarch. I remember it being exhausting, but driving a motorhome 600 miles straight off the mountain is exhausting.
 

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