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Steve

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Hot wax, cool, scrape with Mantac sharpened plexi, hand brush 3 passes soft brass, horsehair and quick soft nylon. Probably takes less time than changing roto heads.

Last year however didn’t hot wax at all. Crayon, pro glide, horsehair. Bases looked great end of season, no base burn, nice visible structure.

I just don’t see the appeal of roto brushing.
 

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I doubt if it takes me ten seconds to change a roto brush. Quick twist off, grab other brush, slap it on, twist.

Or maybe 20 seconds if you have to reposition your hand once to gain leverage to loosen the chuck.
 
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Or maybe 20 seconds if you have to reposition your hand once to gain leverage to loosen the chuck.

The sidecut roto handle doesn't require you to loosen the chuck at all. The brush swap happens by popping the handle off the axle. See the video starting at 24 seconds.

 

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I still don't see the need. Brushing by hand is quick and easy and a bit of an upper body workout.
 

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Hot wax, cool, scrape with Mantac sharpened plexi, hand brush 3 passes soft brass, horsehair and quick soft nylon. Probably takes less time than changing roto heads.

Last year however didn’t hot wax at all. Crayon, pro glide, horsehair. Bases looked great end of season, no base burn, nice visible structure.

I just don’t see the appeal of roto brushing.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :doh::doh::doh:
 

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Very informative post A-man.
 

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I'm looking to start tuning and waxing myself - with a family of five it seems to be the obvious choice.

For those that live in Ontario, where do you get your equipment?

Thanks in advance.
 

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Hot wax, cool, scrape with Mantac sharpened plexi, hand brush 3 passes soft brass, horsehair and quick soft nylon. Probably takes less time than changing roto heads.

Last year however didn’t hot wax at all. Crayon, pro glide, horsehair. Bases looked great end of season, no base burn, nice visible structure.

I just don’t see the appeal of roto brushing.
I'm similar, though I'm speaking from a cross country perspective. I've only waxed my downhill skis once - they were new for this season and had DPS treatment and I wanted to see how that lasted.

I've had a roto setup for years but just didn't use it much for brushing - hand brushes were fast enough after scraping. I suppose if you didn't scrape, and use the "wipe off then brush approach
roto brushing would make more sense. It also could make sense if you had a lot of skis to do. But frankly, with a hand brush I got a better feel for when the wax was out. Rotos seemed disconnected. Plus, with apartment living, it was just one more thing to get out, plug in, etc.

I did use a roto cork to heat-in thin racing overlays sometimes, rather than ironing them. You could also use a rotor cork in place of an iron with soft waxes you crayoned on, though I didn't do that.
 

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For me it's therapy. My wife and I have 10 pairs between us, and over the season it's not only much cheaper to tune and wax your own equipment, but assures a much better experience every day on the mountain. Those little dings and burrs on the edges...no problem. Picking the right temp wax for the current snow temp, a breeze. There is so much info available on tuning and waxing, do yourself a favor and learn. About the only thing you can't do at home is a base grind.

I thought about picking up a rotobrush, but even with cold temp wax, a brass brush after a thorough scraping followed by nylon and horsehair really doesn't take that long, and I like the hands on.

With that being said, what is the real consensus on DPS phantom?
 

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I'm looking to start tuning and waxing myself - with a family of five it seems to be the obvious choice.

For those that live in Ontario, where do you get your equipment?

Thanks in advance.
Online. RaceWax, Racewerks, Slidewright, Artech, Togner Toolworks, etc. I'm not in Ontario, but most ski shops want you to have them do the tuning.
 
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With that being said, what is the real consensus on DPS phantom?
It definitely "works" but how well it works I can't say.

I had it applied by the place I got my skis when I bought them, and did a bit over 20 days. At the end of that, the bases still looked shiny and glided OK. I'm certain wax would not have lasted as long.

That said, this was just recreational skiing with snow temps mainly in the 20s but a few days colder and some with air temp well above freezing and the snow being slushy. Old, new, icey, slushy, man-made indoors. Everything. Glide was always OK. But I can't really say if glide was excellent or if it's any good for someone who really cares about performance.

I've got tons of waxes, a great iron, etc, but just don't want to deal with setting up/cleaning a waxing space often (I live in an apartment that's not huge) so DPS seemed good for me for the convenience.
 

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With that being said, what i

 

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