I think they would criticize how far displaced laterally your feet are in these turns. One 'issue' is if you hit some bad patch or ice with your feet to the side, bad things happen. You are not as stacked as they want you to be. They want stacking to maximize flex/extend absorption.lol loopy turns lead to traversing?
How and why?
not sure I traverse once here and the literal goal was loopy turns.
I was in on that conversation too, I think. There was also an element of being Grandfathered in. My interpretation, VR didn't want to change too much too soon at Whistler...and revenue is revenueI did ask John this specifically. They pay a % to Whistler. They haven't seen any changes since Vail took over, though they were worried about it. The summer camp brings in some $$ in lodging and associated expenses in the otherwise dead off season. It's perceived to be a big draw in the freestyle community.
Lots of bumps on Quackery as that was the warm-up off the double before you arrived at the Glen Gathering Day.Lol slide out hitting an ice patch? I ski at Stowe they are at whistler and just because you or they traverse doesn’t mean a skier who has practiced releasing down the hill will ever traverse. Sounds like pure quackery.
That's awesome. Perhaps new ownership, or ownership attained anew level of professionalism. Enjoy.@martyg - my experience was positive. I can only speak to a single 2 day winter clinic, not the week-long summer version. But there was definitely a different flavor to the lesson vs. PSIA/CSIA lessons I have had.
These comments specifically highlight a difference in the lesson. In any other lesson I have had, I would expect 99% of certified instructors to adjust the lesson plan to make sure @MarkG was ready for moguls and not likely to injury. Not so with these guys. So I do see a different attitude - they did not seem to be as protective/safety conscious of students. Atmosphere was more cavalier and informal vs. most other lessons. They also intend to ski bell to bell, regardless of how students were doing/struggling. Again, for a PSIA/CSIA class, I would expect the instructor to tone it down when some in group are struggling. For the clinic, they don't offer to escort student down or download, or anything like that.
Their attitude is more -- we'll see you at the bar if you're tired. This is an athletic activity. You might get hurt. You're an adult, do what you want. If you hurt yourself in the course of trying to ski this stuff, it's on you. CSIA/PSIA instructors I have had would almost certainly be much more polite and gracious toward students (who are paying $$). Make sure they get down before they suspect a student is over-terrained/tired or an injury is likely.
Again, this is in my VERY LIMITED experience - one 2 day class. They have been running these camps/clinics for ~30 years so something must be working? Personally, I am OK with this style approach because I am always willing to say no to something if I think I will get hurt. Others may not be as self aware, or feel pressured to keep going and end in injury - I could see this style not working for some people. For feedback (if any Momentum guys are reading this), I'd suggest stating this sort of attitude up front each day of the lesson. Most other lessons I have had, I feel like the instructor creates a protective bubble and won't ask me to do things that have significant risk.
EDIT to add: Not saying I ever felt unsafe in any of this. I can't speak to @MarkG level of comfort in any of this. Not trying to scare people, just noting a difference here. I don't feel the coaches were ever reckless or cold-hearted. They did genuinely care about the students, but were not as protective of students as I have seen in certified instructors. IMO some certified instructors are too risk averse.
Extremely Canadian is owned by Vail. All of the instructors are ski school staff, although the core staff does nothing but Extremely Canadian guiding/camps/lessons.You mean, why does Whistler (Vail) allow them to operate?
I don't know about this one in particular but Whistler has other companies that operate on the mountain too... like the Extremely Canadian guides that operate all season. I guess Vail either makes enough off the licensing, or doesn't want the PR backlash of not allowing these kinds of instruction/guiding.
@Josh Matta, you are a very good skier and I think a pretty good instructor. I don't get why you don't see that skiing a direct line with more of a competitive bump technique might be a valid ski style. It's just another tool in the tool kit. In some ways, it might improve other elements of your skiing -- after all, greater dynamic range translates into dynamic performance short and medium radius turns as well as into steep skiing. It seems to me that this is an area that you could spend some of your time to investigate, practice, and perfect. And you might find that comp bump technique might work where you ski -- but it does require some mastery to be able to apply it there. Then again, maybe not.So the thing is the "loopy" line should have more edge grip than a pivot slam line because the the edges are being ask less of though out the turn, and the ski should be cutting though the snow, then sliding sideways trying to find grip.
So do you have a before or after video of your skiing then? What specfic skill and technique did you improve upon?
I also wouldnt care what they think. Comp bump skiing doesnt work where I ski.
@Guy in Shorts yeah I missed the first quackery run, but as you know I am a hack at skiing bumps.
the things is I can ski a very direct line and even ski the comp line if it present, but impactful and less versatile on real world bumps. heck you can say I ever practice it simply to be able to demo it, and troll people in real life.@Josh Matta, you are a very good skier and I think a pretty good instructor. I don't get why you don't see that skiing a direct line with more of a competitive bump technique might be a valid ski style. It's just another tool in the tool kit. In some ways, it might improve other elements of your skiing -- after all, greater dynamic range translates into dynamic performance short and medium radius turns as well as into steep skiing. It seems to me that this is an area that you could spend some of your time to investigate, practice, and perfect. And you might find that comp bump technique might work where you ski -- but it does require some mastery to be able to apply it there. Then again, maybe not.
For full disclosure, I have no ability to ski comp bumps, but I'm working on it.
Thanks for that info... I didn't realize. Were they purchased at the same time as WB? Or have they always been Vail owned? Or other?Extremely Canadian is owned by Vail. All of the instructors are ski school staff, although the core staff does nothing but Extremely Canadian guiding/camps/lessons.