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Maybe the 1st carving instructional video?

nSkier

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How do you define that as Flex to release? At the bottom the each turn she is eating her inside leg's kneecap. How can she flex out of that? Try 8:50

Its more apparent in the slo-mo if you follow the outside leg, it's definitely not clean though and I cant tell if its purposeful or adaptive. Interesting clip nonetheless.

You can pretty much flex out of anything, its not prohibitive for certain turns...sure looks weird though when you try to do it from that low.
 

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Its more apparent in the slo-mo if you follow the outside leg, it's definitely not clean though and I cant tell if its purposeful or adaptive. Interesting clip nonetheless.

You can pretty much flex out of anything, its not prohibitive for certain turns...sure looks weird though when you try to do it from that low.

Now see I call those transitions ILE (inside leg extension). The outside ski is being released due to an extension of the inside leg combined with movement forward to align with the soon to be outside ski. In doing so, the inside ski actually picks up the finish of the turn. From there the skier initiates by rolling onto the new edge of the soon-to-be outside ski. Beginning @ 8:50 both legs clearly flex allowing for transfer under the COM and this is what I call a flex to release transition.
 

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Check out this series:

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if you follow the outside leg, you see very deep flexion. I won't argue for a second that this is "pretty" or correctly timed, in fact I think this is what razie refers to as "getting squatty". @JESinstr I don't think we are disagreeing because in my technical model, indeed the result of flexing is a balance transfer to the inside (or uphill) ski which does finish the turn.

I fully agree with 8:50, thats a flex-to-release and a pretty nice one too!
 

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Check out this series:

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if you follow the outside leg, you see very deep flexion. I won't argue for a second that this is "pretty" or correctly timed, in fact I think this is what razie refers to as "getting squatty". @JESinstr I don't think we are disagreeing because in my technical model, indeed the result of flexing is a balance transfer to the inside (or uphill) ski which does finish the turn.

I fully agree with 8:50, thats a flex-to-release and a pretty nice one too!

You are right. It appears that the skiers in that sequence of the video are employing various transitions to get to the carving state. Here is the Lady Skier with an ILE transition.

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Do folk who were active in instructing - either as instructors or students - during the transition to carved skis remember when drills like rail road tracks became a thing?
We did railroad track turns when I began teaching in the 70s. At that time we considered it an advanced maneuver. We also did up-unweighting, down-unweighting, rebound, retraction, extension, carving, short swing, pivot slips, edge hop garlands, wedge edge locks, crab hops, step turns, javelins etc. RR Tracks came back into favor in the late 90s as the masses began transitioning from straight skis to shaped.
I remember skiing the first Elan SCX‘s in the mid 90s and immediately falling in love with them. Many old school leg locked skiers had an extremely difficult time adapting.

Here are a bunch of great short turns from 1988. I also posted this in the centerline thread.
 

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Is that the K2 crew or the Mammoth ski school or some other bunch?
 

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I'd like to see how that kid, in red, skis today. Must be an amazing skier.

BTW, what piece of music is that?
 

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Is that the K2 crew or the Mammoth ski school or some other bunch?
A mix of 3 or 4 D-teamers (Dave Ingram, Tim Petrick & maybe PJ Jones) & Mammoth SS instructors.
 
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