Looking for recommendations on a New England Daily Driver, Hard Snow edition

Discussion in 'Hardgoods: Skis, Bindings, Poles, and More' started by ScottB, Feb 11, 2019.

  1. ScottB

    ScottB Getting off the lift Skier

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    I have a decent quiver of skis now. I am 6'4", 240 lbs, expert skier. Ski Race coach for a local youth program in Mass. I still haven't found my daily driver for firm, variable conditions that I can ski on groomers, ski moguls, and ski in the glades. I have found my daily driver for soft variable conditions: Liberty Origin 96, 187 cm.

    Quiver:
    -Rosi Slant nose 9STi slalom ski, 70mm, 175 cm, love the ski for small hills. Too reactive for high speeds on big mtns', too stiff for moguls
    -Blizzard Magnesium FIS GS ski, 68mm, 193 cm, great ski for going fast, doesn't turn when going slow, I don't ski it off piste
    -Kastle MX 78, 78mm, 184 cm, very close to my firm daily driver, not too stiff, just right, not good at short radius turns, bad in slush
    -Salomon X-Drive 8.8 FS, 88mm, 184 cm, very burly ski, not good at short radius turns, doesn't pivot at all, I like it but not daily driver, really good ice grip
    -Blizzard Brahama, 88mm, 187 cm, I thought this would be the one, on ice the tails release on me, great at slarves on ice, but not carves, really like it everywhere else. I put a race tune on it from SkiMD, its the ski
    -Liberty Origin 96, 96mm, 187 cm, love this ski with race tune, tips don't carve but rest of ski does, pivots on a dime, my tree ski, great in deep snow too
    -Ski Logik Charriot, 101mm, 178 cm, a little short for me but skied it a lot, close to retirement on this ski, great in slush, skis like a fat slalom ski
    -Blizzard Zero G 108, 108mm, 185 cm, touring ski that can be used in the resort, like it a lot for touring and in soft resort snow
    -Ski Logik Depth Hoar, 142mm, 191 cm, powder ski, it rocks when there is fresh snow and it floats me right on top, love it

    I will ideally replace the MX78 and Brahama with a daily driver. What I want it to do:

    - carve really well on groomers, close to a race ski, and make short radius turns as well as GS turns
    - have great grip on ice, very important for someone my size in NE.
    - not be as stiff as my race skis so it won't beat me up in moguls
    - have a little rocker so it can pivot or turn quick in the trees (this is secondary to carve great on groomers)
    - handle soft snow and dense snow (mashed potatoes) without getting grabby, or at least not too grabby

    I am looking for a powerful ski that carves great, even on ice, but doesn't get too bad in variable conditions (trees and moguls). It should be quick turning and be more slalom ski than GS ski. It needs to cruise at a relaxed pace as well. I am asking for a lot, I know.

    My thinking for candidates:
    Fischer RC4 The Curv, 178 cm
    K2 Ikonic 84 TI, 184cm
    Kastle MX 84, 184cm
    Blizzard Firebird, 178cm
    Dynastar Speed Zone 12 Ti, 182cm
    Elan Amphibio Black, 178
    Rossignol Hero Elite Plus Ti, 181cm
    Salomon S/Max Blast, 180cm
    Atomic Redster X9, 181cm

    If there is a ski on or off the list that meets the criteria let me know.
     
  2. DB Cooper

    DB Cooper Booting up Skier

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    The enforcer 88 probably fits the bill. Serious frontside chops with the ability to get off trail and get you around those tight New England trees.
     
  3. Coach13

    Coach13 Out on the slopes Skier

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    Fischer’s Pro Mountain 86
     
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  4. Erik Timmerman

    Erik Timmerman Making fresh tracks Instructor

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    Replace Curv with Curv DTX since you said "isn't as stiff as my race ski.

    The "trees" requirement (weird requirement for a Hard Snow, almost race ski IMHO) I'd say rules out everything except the MX84 and maybe the Ikonic.
     
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  5. CalG

    CalG Out on the slopes Skier

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    The Volkl RTM 84 is worth a look. Great edge.. Stable at speed.
     


  6. surfsnowgirl

    surfsnowgirl loves soft bumps, trees and ungroomed Skier

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    My SO is about to sell his RTM 84s. They are in great shape and 177cm. Send me a pm if interested.
     
  7. Erik Timmerman

    Erik Timmerman Making fresh tracks Instructor

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    The new RC One fits the OP's needs perfectly IMO (even the trees part), but is way different from what is on most of his list.
     
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  8. NZRob

    NZRob Skiing the Rock Skier

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    Surprised you haven't got the Head SuperShape iTitan in there. Only thing really missing is rocker, but it's a great daily driver for hardpack conditions, has good turn radius adjustability, and has plenty of off-piste versatility. Personally I rate it above the SpeedZone 12 and X9.
     
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  9. Philpug

    Philpug Enjoying being back on two skis. Admin Pugski Ski Tester

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    My thinking for candidates:
    Fischer RC4 The Curv, 178 cm--Great option
    K2 Ikonic 84 TI, 184cm Speed Charger or SuperCharger
    Kastle MX 84, 184cm--Perenial favorite.
    Dynastar Speed Zone 12 Ti, 182cm--Smoooth as buttah.
    Elan Amphibio Black, 178--completely underated.
    Rossignol Hero Elite Plus Ti, 181cm--Wide Carver
    Salomon S/Max Blast, 180cm--One of my favorites
    Atomic Redster X9, 181cm--Race feel for sure.

    My thoughts above...not a bad choice among them.
     
  10. James

    James Skiing the powder Instructor

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    I don't see the Ikonic 84 for much else than Mach schnelling on groomed. I'd love to see a wider Redster X9 type.
    The Mx84 from the list seems tops.
    Avoid square tip skis.
     
  11. Coach13

    Coach13 Out on the slopes Skier

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    Is the RC One the 2020 replacement for the PM 86?
     
  12. Erik Timmerman

    Erik Timmerman Making fresh tracks Instructor

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    Yes.
     
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  13. Josh Matta

    Josh Matta Making fresh tracks Instructor

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    is your brahma the first shape or gen 2?
     
  14. Philpug

    Philpug Enjoying being back on two skis. Admin Pugski Ski Tester

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    X9 Wide, gray with green writing.

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  15. James

    James Skiing the powder Instructor

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    Ooh nice, I should ask more often! What are the specs on that model?
    (Personally I like the green. I have matching pants. But I get the demographic is horrified.)
     
  16. Josh Matta

    Josh Matta Making fresh tracks Instructor

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    New fischer RC one or new Blizzard Brahma. The Fischer is more carvy the brahma more freeridey.

    The new Kastle MX84 is too soft for big people, and even moderately big people who ski fast.

    as for the rest, man I think they all kind of be meh in woods. I ski my Blizzard WRC masters GS ski in hard woods from time to time but even in really hard snow Id prefer my Monsters 83 or Brahmas, nad dont feel as bad when I ding them up....
     
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    ScottB Getting off the lift Skier

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    To explain a little, I don't expect a front side carver to be even good in trees, I just want to feel like I don't have to avoid going in trees. On a typical ski day at Sunday River (or any NE mtn) I ski 75% groomers, 25% glades. Some groomers and almost all glades will have moguls. Want a good carving ski that can handle that mix. On soft snow days, the mix flips (75% glades) and get on my Origin 96's.

    I will consider it, I skied an older version, probably 5 years ago. I found the 178cm length too short for me, I overwhelmed the ski pretty badly. It might be beefer now, in which case I agree it sounds good. I find most 178cm skis too short unless they are really burly. ie. my super stiff 175cm rosi slalom ski does not feel too short. A 165 FIS slalom race ski feels too short to me, but they can handle my size fine. It just feels like something is missing. I tend to try to target 180-190 cm skis. My 184's feel very good to me.

    Gen 2 ski. It is a 2017-2018 model. The new all black/grey one with the red bull on it. It tic's all the boxes except grip on ice. On anything but ice, I find the carving pretty good, not as quick as a front side carver on groomers, but a good trade off for the excellent versatility.

    I read the Ikonic 84Ti is a fairly versatile carving ski. The description from K2 sounds good to me, and Blister reviewed it well. James have you skied one. I am planning to rent one and check it out for myself.


    I will add all the suggestions to my list, they all should be very good to excellent carvers.

    Which one(s) are the most versatile?? For those who have skied them, could you rank them by versatility?

    I have skied the Fischer Curv for 1 run, and it was fine for my size, I actually thought it was not as quick turning as I expected, but then I checked and found it had a 18m radius and that explained it. I had to bend it a lot to get a small radius turn out of it. I couldn't tell about versatility from the 1 run. Blister reviewed it very well.

    My buddy has a new pair of K2 Super Chargers that I will try. First impressions are it is NOT a versatile ski, more of a race ski.
     
  18. Chef23

    Chef23 Putting on skis Skier

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    I skied the Fischer Curv Gt in a 182 out in Utah but it was firm for Utah. I am 6' 200 lbs and loved the ski but at that length it was definitely a bit of better GS type turner and hung up a bit in the bumps. I didn't mind the stiffness I think to some extent skis that are great on ice aren't as good as in the bumps but I did find the tails a little hooky in the bumps. I did like them on the groomed and think they would be a great hard snow ski in NE. The 176 might be good in the bumps.
     
  19. Josh Matta

    Josh Matta Making fresh tracks Instructor

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    hmmn I actually though mine were pretty dang good last weekend and it was the worst weekend of the year.

    THe Fischer RC one is better on hard snow though, and skis bumps and woods pretty well.
     
  20. trailtrimmer

    trailtrimmer Stuck in the Flatlands Skier

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    Toss in my vote for a Head Rally/Titan or a Scott Black Majic. A new old stock Latigo would be killer as well.

    All of the above can dig in on hard snow as well as smear when needed. All have a 15/16M radius in your size. I love them all for Midwest conditions.
     

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