Look what my boss just bought me: New Wintersteiger Scout

Discussion in 'Tuning Techniques and Tool Information' started by Doug Briggs, Nov 1, 2018.

  1. Doug Briggs

    Doug Briggs Making fresh tracks Pugski Ski Tester Industry Insider

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    What my boss bought me! :)

    A couple of days ago the folks from Wintersteiger finished setting up the Scout. Anyone that knows the shop will ask: 'How the hell did you fit that in there!?' It is 18 feet long and over 6 feet high. The emulsion tank holds over 200 l of emulsion. It came in pieces through the window (just barely) and takes the place of the Sigma B and 350 S. I actually have more work space now than before!

    I'm still getting the hang of it and keeping things simple. It does base and side edges (the two disks on the right side of the 'grinding room') and stone grinds (the blue cylinder in the middle of the 'grinding room'). The automation allows me to get other work done while Scout does multiple passes. I took a coach's extremely base high skis and made them flat in about 30 minutes. That would have take 2 - 3 hours with the manual machine. Consistency and repeatability along with the time saving of automation are the major benefits of this machine. It will do margin structures (common on SL and GS where the pattern doesn't go to the edges), thumbprints, chevrons and other pretty wild patterns.

    The screens at the beginning illustrate the range of parameters that can be set. Mostly we'll change the structure for the stone between built in ones that are practical for recreational use and work on custom structures for racing. For edge work it is just a matter of adjusting the insets (the points where the discs contact the ski) so that you get the desired portions of the edge sharpened. You can manually override the stamps (the devices that come down onto the ski) to manage pressure on skis with non-standard camber.

     
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  2. Jack skis

    Jack skis Ex 207cm VR17 Skier Skier

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    Son of a gun! That's some kinda machine. Very impressive. Makes me want to go to Break and have a pair of my skis given a Scout treatment.
     
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    Dwight Practitioner of skiing, solid and liquid Admin Moderator

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    Sweet!!!!
     
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    Doug Briggs

    Doug Briggs Making fresh tracks Pugski Ski Tester Industry Insider

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    Here are some pictures of the crane day.

    20181002_083705.jpg Out with the old

    20181002_084503.jpg Bye bye Trimjet

    20181002_085445.jpg Sayonara S 350!

    20181002_093054.jpg Hello Scout!

    20181002_093101.jpg The Wintersteiger rep was excited.

    20181002_101147.jpg Another piece arrives.

    20181002_101204.jpg
     
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    Philpug Enjoying being back on two skis. Admin Pugski Ski Tester

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    @TheArchitect THIS is what you need, forget all those silly hand tools, they are for neophytes. ;)
     
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    Average Joe Putting on skis Skier

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    Being an Architect, he could design his new house around it!
     
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    Blue Streak Behind the Epic Curtain Skier

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    Wow!
     
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    pchewn Out on the slopes Skier

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    Couple of questions:

    1. Pneumatic, hydraulic, or electric power for the stamps, clamps, shuttles, and other actuators?
    2. How is the ski actually held in a flat condition during the grinding? I understand how the stamps could push the ski flat against the table in the "fixturing" area of the machine. But when the ski is transported over the grinder, how is it held in the flat condition?
    3. How much does such a machine cost, and how many skis do you need to do to pay back the machine cost?

    PS: I could watch that machine for hours !!
     
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    Bad Bob old n' slow Skier

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    WOW!

    That thing is impressive, have been hearing mention of this beast but not seen anything real tillnow.

    Will it do your taxes too?
     
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    Doug Briggs Making fresh tracks Pugski Ski Tester Industry Insider

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    Here is a sample of what it can do. Excellent tunes being done. We are still getting used to the options we have at our fingertips so while we are getting great results now, they will only get better.

    IMG_20181102_211533112.jpg
     
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    Uncle-A In the words of Paul Simon "You can call me Al" Skier

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    One of those machines would look good in my garage:D what do you think they cost?
     
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    ScotsSkier USSA Coach Pugski Ski Tester Industry Insider

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    If you have to ask.....ogsmile
     
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    Doug Briggs Making fresh tracks Pugski Ski Tester Industry Insider

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    You could get a really nice Porsche for the price of one, according to Chuck.
     
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    Drahtguy Kevin Après aficionado Pugski Ski Tester

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    Jeebus, this is gonna make your tunes better? Wow, didn’t think that was possible.
     
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    Thanks. In addition to having way more options for structure, the robot is a lot faster than me and allows me to multi-task. Instead of having to load a ski for each set of passes on the Trimjet and manually operate the stone, I just set the program, push start and Robie does the rest.
     
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    Ken_R Living the Dream Skier

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    You wanna practice with my Monster 88's?
     
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    Doug Briggs Making fresh tracks Pugski Ski Tester Industry Insider

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    Bring them on in!
     
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  18. TheArchitect

    TheArchitect Expert...only in my mind Skier

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    Luckily for me all the stuff I just bought is still within the return period! ogsmile

    I could design a new house for it, or just never park in my current garage again. Decisions, decisions..

    Looks like an awesome piece of equipment, Doug. Congrats!
     
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    Ken_R Living the Dream Skier

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    You need a tuning shack in the yard :D
     
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  20. tball

    tball Zipped up Skier

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    Very cool. I'm also so curious about economics. What do the expendables cost per tune? Are prices staying the same? Is it a competitive advantage or required to stay competitive? Probably TMI but fascinating.

    And, where do you find a guy with a CS degree who can both tune and turn a ski to run it? :D
     
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