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K2, Volkl, Dalbello, Marker, Marmot, Full Tilt and Line..What Does the Future Hold for Them?

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I'm getting lost with all the "who owns what" and "who owned what" but it seems that some if these brands would be purchased by competitors, i.e. Salomon buys Marker, to a) get the technology/patents and b) to keep the competition down. Basically, buy out your competitor as cheaply as possible. Or is that too simplistic?
 
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Sounds like Newell Holdings is changing their position! http://bit.ly/2dYFLiT

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(ISPO) US investor Newell Brands reacted to the apprehension of the winter sports industry that the group of companies K2 and Marker Dalbello Völkl could be shut down with a press release. “Newell will keep both companies, if no suitable buyer is found“, said the consumer goods giant on Thursday.
For numerous employees of the traditional sports brand this message should be a relief. After the Newell Brand press release on Tuesday and the bold statements of CEO Michael Polk many feared the worst. Polk spoke in September about a “rapid exit“ for non-economical companies to investors.

Newell Feels Pressured to Make Clarification
Now a press release, in German, from Newell Brand states: “The reasons for streamlining the portfolio are not due to the economical development of these renowned and rich in tradition winter sport specialists, but in a changed focus of Newell with the goal to build a strong and pioneering company in the consumer goods industry.“

The goal is now to “find a new owner, over the next few months, who is willing to invest into the winter sports and continue the success story of the brands.“

K2, Marker, Dalbello, Volkl Supposed to Stay
“It is not the goal of the process of Newell to abandon one of the companies or to shut it down, but to find a suitable buyer, who will then develop the traditional brands further.

Employees and customers of K2 and Marker Dalbello Völkl can adapt to the thought that they will continue to find the traditional brands in stores the next few years. “At the moment both companies work steadily on their innovations and developments for 2017/18, corresponding investments will be made“, writes Newell Brands.

And further: “The companies received positive feedback and a strong demand for the running collection 2016/17, according to that the companies and their employees are highly motivated for this season.“
 

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I suspect that his bankers at Goldman told him to measure his words, if they want to maximize the value/price. Those two should fetch big prices, but selling them as turn key companies {contrasted with brands, products and tooling} requires holding on to people. I think that's what this is about.

None of these businesses fit with Newell's future at all. Not a bit. They're just taking the "going out of business sale" sign off a couple. May be a bit late. Think they showed their cards a while ago.

CEO's who like to be in the press tend to create challenges for their bankers. Have heard "put a muzzle on....." plenty of times. An old boss of mine devalued a business that we sold by about $350mil, because of a similar situation. Could not stay quiet on how much we wanted to sell. Flipped the deal upside down. And our bankers were not pleased.

Until this stuff is sold in Walmart, on a global footprint, and the ski business is not seasonal, I would bet dollars to donuts that these companies sell. They may be the first to sell.
Just a hunch. CEO singing a new tune. Trying to maximize the $ale. Not planning to give them away. Rapid exit can be interpreted many ways.

Now, Line, Full Tilt, Marmot.........
 
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No word mentioned of Line, Full Tilt or Marmot? :huh: :eek:
 
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I suspect that his bankers at Goldman told him to measure his words, if they want to maximize the value/price. Those two should fetch big prices, but selling them as turn key companies {contrasted with brands, products and tooling} requires holding on to people. I think that's what this is about.

None of these businesses fit with Newell's future at all. Not a bit. They're just taking the "going out of business sale" sign off a couple. May be a bit late. Think they showed their cards a while ago.

CEO's who like to be in the press tend to create challenges for their bankers. Have heard "put a muzzle on....." plenty of times. An old boss of mine devalued a business that we sold by about $350mil, because of a similar situation. Could not stay quiet on how much we wanted to sell. Flipped the deal upside down. And our bankers were not pleased.

Until this stuff is sold in Walmart, on a global footprint, and the ski business is not seasonal, I would bet dollars to donuts that these companies sell. They may be the first to sell.
Just a hunch. CEO singing a new tune. Trying to maximize the $ale. Not planning to give them away. Rapid exit can be interpreted many ways.

Now, Line, Full Tilt, Marmot.........

I agree...they didn't say they weren't not selling just they aren't closing them down.
 

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I think that none of we armchair ski company owners felt they'd ever shutter those two!

Now some of the others? Actually, I pretty much believe that there will be a buyer for every piece. May bring very short money, but saves Newell from having to go through the BS of closing them.

Then again, what does Line consist of?

Interesting stuff, isn't it?
 

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In addition to wanting to maximize the sale value, is it also possible that the CEO is singing a different tune because Newell, being a consumer products company, didn't want the bad PR (esp. in Europe, where skiing is an important part of the culture) of being seen as actively responsible for closing down these fondly-viewed brands? If they were to be shuttered, much better to be able to claim "having done everything within our power to find a buyer." Though that horse may have left the barn.
 

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Phil, I was thinking more of what the buyer gets....like what the company consists of?
Not so much the product lineup!
They contract out all manufacturing, don't they? So if a buyer likes the design, R&D, etc. And however they distribute....could be interest. Maybe from JL?
 
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Phil, I was thinking more of what the buyer gets....like what the company consists of?
Maybe from JL?
I know but it was all I could come up with. :(

JL and I have been playing phone tag but I have a feeling what he will say.
 

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HaHa. JL's probably plenty busy. A number of interesting ski companies in NE right now, his among them. SN 100 is a popular ski......
 

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Big corporations from outside the outdoor/winterports world who want to apply traditional corporate business models and metrics to ski industry companies, have had a 100% failure rate. The ski hard goods category is a quirky, risky, seasonal business that no one who wants to track performance on a quarterly basis, would touch with a 10 foot pole. It is best left to folks who have an intimate knowledge of, and passionate commitment to the sport/business. They are realistic about their universe and know that it's a labor of love that will hopefully turn a profit for them and allow them to make a good living, but by no means do they see it as the road to riches. Newell is smart to get rid for these brands. However, Newell's blunder has certainly driven the values of these entities down, no matter how much they back and fill now.
It will be difficult to surface viable buyers for these brands. I would bet on a European based consortium or VC group picking off the best brands and leaving the rest on the table. These are important brands in Europe (particularly Volkl and Marker) and it makes sense to have a boot brand with them to complete the product offering.
 
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Until there is a new buyer in place, IMHO, these companies are not out of the woods yet. You know the manager who was just told his job was safe, only to be fired the following week? I just get that sense here.
 

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The current situation seems to be very confused. It’s only 106 days to the SIA and 118 days to the ISPO trade shows, if I was a retailer I would want to know exactly what they were going to do before I even thought about placing an order.
 

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The current situation seems to be very confused. It’s only 106 days to the SIA and 118 days to the ISPO trade shows, if I was a retailer I would want to know exactly what they were going to do before I even thought about placing an order.

..and no-one can say. It'll be business as usual from the brands themselves until and unless a deal is struck and a new owner clearly articulates direction. If any one of those brands forms a large part of my wall I'd be looking to diversify away before I was left with devalued stock from a defunct brand. I might be less concerned if my commitment was to Volkl/Marker as I'd bet on those surviving. K2 who knows? Lotsa nostalgia from the old guys but will the kids still be there once Pettit and Fujas are gone?
 
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On the surface, I think it will be business as usual at SIA but I am sure the question will be asked and I am sure there will be a well rehearsed corporate line. I think very few dealers will not buy but the orders will reflect the their concern which all add up to a vicious downward cycle. Newell Holding's announcements put these companies in a no win scenerio with their press releases. By creating the a lower level of confidence, dealers are going to buy less, creating less sales and lower numbers making them look worse to the share holders at the quarterly meetings.
 

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On the surface, I think it will be business as usual at SIA but I am sure the question will be asked and I am sure there will be a well rehearsed corporate line. I think very few dealers will not buy but the orders will reflect the their concern which all add up to a vicious downward cycle. Newell Holding's announcements put these companies in a no win scenerio with their press releases. By creating the a lower level of confidence, dealers are going to buy less, creating less sales and lower numbers making them look worse to the share holders at the quarterly meetings.

Which, on the surface anyway, makes it look like interested buyers could maybe get fire sale prices. At least that's how it looks like a business moron like me. I gotta go look at my checking account balance.
 
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Which, on the surface anyway, makes it look like interested buyers could maybe get fire sale prices. At least that's how it looks like a business moron like me. I gotta go look at my checking account balance.
I think Volkl/Marker will go to a European holding company. Dalbello back to the Dalbello family or be packaged with Volkl. I think K2 needs to stay American to keep it's heritage otherwise it will just be another company, K2's soul is here in the good ole You Ess of Em Effin A, I think building the skis in China tarnished a bit but people realized the most of the money was kept here.
 

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I worked for 7 years at K2 Sports. In 1995 I started Line skis and in 2006 I started Full Tilt boots while working for K2 Sports. So I've done everything from building skis in my garage, to operating a small and medium size private ski company, and now have gone back to a startup boutique ski company selling exclusively direct at Jskis.com. So over the past 20 years I've worked on every side and for every size ski business. My biggest take away from all of it is that winter sports brands never have, and never will match a public company's financial goals due to their seasonality and limited market size. This is a fact!

Public companies exist for one simple reason... to make more money every year. As an investor in wallstreet or shareholder you can't disagree with this. Reality is the ski industry is not growing, it's shrinking so the only way to accomplish annual growth is by spending less while selling the same. In a flat business this can only be accomplished by making cheaper product, reducing the number of employees, reducing athlete and media support, less marketing, ultimately investing less and less of the money made back into the brand and the sport. This leads to an automatic death spiral driving sales down, thus requiring more cutting and so on. Eventually the public company comes to the conclusion that they are done squeezing blood from a rock and it's time to sell it and look for the the next brand to purchase to do the same. Successful public companies know that the best brands sell the same product year round for decades to 100% of the population, everywhere on earth (paper towels, shoes, toothpics, etc.). The ski industry sells to a tiny nitche of consumers, for only 5 months a year... and only if it snows!

That said as you all know, the passion of winter sports consumers is second to none and is the reason that these brands do have a strong future and can be very profitable IF managed correctly and most importantly are privately owned. For this reason selling these brands is inevitable and an amazing opportunity for the brands and the ski industry. The problem however is that Newel's goal is to sell it as as one giant conglomerate for efficiency and cost savings of doing one deal. I've talked to Newel directly in the past week inquiring about the potential to buy Line and FT and they confirmed it will only be sold all as a whole, no option for someone to buy a single brand/brands.

Unfortunately this means it must be purchased by giant corporation that can afford it. Thus it's unlikely the brands will be in any better hands than now and likely worse similar to when Quicksilver bought Rossignol and ran them into the ground before a private equity firm bought them back and got them back on track to where they are today. My guess is whoever buys it will either immediately break them up and sell individually or bleed to death for a couple of years trying to live the ski industry dream and eventually give in to re-sell separately or as a whole again down the road for even less.

I truly believe each and every brand has amazing potential to be sustainable stand alone or part of the right group of brands if owned & operated by the right people. The industry can be rejuvenated with the profit made, being reinvested back into the sport (instead of wallstreet) so we actually have a chance of our sport not only surviving but growing. So if anyone has access to a couple hundred million dollars, hit me up and we can take a crack at saving 30% of the ski industries brands, with the power to fix a lot of what's broken in skiing and snowboarding...
 

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