Kästle Announces Largest Model Line Increase Since 2007

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  1. Tony S

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    2020 FX 96 ... Inquiring minds want to know. Anyone at SIA ski it? @Ron , @SBrown , @FairToMiddlin ? PM me if it's a secret. ogwink
     
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    I know @Drahtguy Kevin got on it. I will on Wednesday, it is a priority for me.
     
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  3. Drahtguy Kevin

    Drahtguy Kevin Après aficionado Pugski Ski Tester

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    The FX96 HP was exquisite. Light but damp with excellent snow feel. The new tip is a yuge improvement making turn initiation a snap. The ski seemingly knew where I wanted to go. The tail is secure and predictable.
     
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    Cool. Thanks. Did you get on the non-HP?
     
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    UGASkiDawg AKA David Pugski Ski Tester

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    Couldn't disagree more....if you loved the outgoing fx95hp, I'd bet you will not like this ski.
     
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    Drahtguy Kevin Après aficionado Pugski Ski Tester

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    No, not available. I don’t think it exists. This new model doesn’t have metal like the old HP. Carbon is the giggitty-giggitty in this ride. I found the flex even. I thought I’d miss the metal because I’m a fat bastard (something you’re not), but I didn’t.
     
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    Now I am really looking forward to skiing it ;) I was not a fan at all of the outgoing model. Like i said, I am looking forward to getting on this. My initial impression is that this ski is the best of the first and seconfd generation FX.
     
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    FairToMiddlin Getting off the lift Pugski Ski Tester

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    Tony, there is no non-hp. They must have went with one (very non-hp) construction, and decided the “hp” suffix sounds cooler, even if it obliterates any continuity. Whatever.

    Good news is, Kevin is right; it’s exquisite.
     
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    Freddo Bumps Booting up Skier

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    Non-HP in the 85 if I recall correctly.
     
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    When did the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor?
     
  11. Alexzn

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    Guys, can you be more specific? Seems like the new ski is a bit polarizing. I don't doubt that you can make a non-metal ski that is damp to some extent (I own the living proof of that idea: the Head Kore). I am a fan/owner of the current model, primarily for the damp ride that you get from metal and Kastle's partial rubber layer. I somewhat doubt you can recreate that feel with just carbon, but the proof is in the pudding. I actually like the reliability of the old tip, it is not the fastest to hook up on a groomer, but it is 100% predictable of piste and never gets bogged down in chunky snow. Curious what Kastle did to change its feel. @Philpug I never understood why you liked the FX105HP, but not the Fx95HP, even though they have a rather similar shape and build. Different categories?

    Does anyone have a good picture of the new ski where you can actually see the shape?
     
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    I wouldn't say so much that it was a different category but maybe a different feel. I have found that just because one construction works well in one area that it should in an other or in some cases it works better. i found that the BMX105 was a better application of it's desing and construction for the application than the 95..or even the 85. Some times scaling works and sometimes it doesn't.
     
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    Yes sport, I was of course referring to the BMX105.
     
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    I got on the FX86 HP (the 96 was always out), I applaud Kastle for greatly improving the on-piste performance of the ski. The tip engaged very well and in the 177(?) I could easily roll the ski edge-to-edge and it was quite strong underfoot. Very stable at speed. Where it fell short for me was off piste. On the second day, we got about 3" and I took it on a run that had been mostly tracked so there was a mix of untracked patches, scraped off sections and push piles. On slower speed, shorter radius turns, the tip/shovel felt vague and nervous. IMHO, its overly stiff for me and just didnt have a good feel on the snow. I prefer a ski with softer tips (at the end) and a progressive flex/stiffness. I felt I really needed to drive the tips to get them to bend and hold well. Maybe heavier skiers might prefer the ski? In the past, I enjoyed the Non-Hp's which worked better for me,

    EDIT: added thought. I am wondering if the FX's being only in HP means that Kastle's new DX (formally LX) line is intended for those skiers?
     
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    Very interesting to see the initial mixed reaction to the new FX. I'm not a fan of the outgoing version so if this new ski isn't like the 95HP then it's already a point in its favor.
     
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    IMHO a good amount of the polarization with the new skis comes back to the inconsistency of the initial tunes. I will hold judgment until we can take that variable out.
     
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    I thought I finally understood the HP/Non-HP designations for the 2019-20 model year but now I'm back to being really confused. A photo (below) clearly shows placards for the FX 86 and 116 WITHOUT the "HP" moniker. Meanwhile the same photo shows "HP" for the 96 and the 106. This lines up nicely with what at least one other poster here has indicated - different construction for the bookend widths. However, now Ron is talking about having skied an FX 86 HP. Can someone clarify authoritatively?

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  19. Ron

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    @Tony S when I demoed, the rep told me this was the HP. He explained it no longer had metal but was fiberglass wrapped (not just an overlay of the top) over wood.
     
  20. neonorchid

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    Sounds like a lot of misinformation.
     
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