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Makoo

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Hello, do you think that is it possible to improving skiing skills out of winter? The problem is that I try to teach someone close to me who has medium skills (skiing quite carving but by sitting on the back). There are a lot of excercises that you can do on your skis which help you doing it better and better but it's on ski slopes. We have only max 10 skiing days each year with some breaks so I think that it is not enough, especially when someone has bad habits from the past. Do you think that are there any excercises without skis that you can do by the whole year and that can help you improving your technique (elimination sitting on the back, starting pushing legs and keeping body straightforward) ?
 
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Ice skating's even better if you have a rink nearby. Mountain biking and hiking are good cross training activities for skiing.
 

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Martial arts is also good for keeping up or building up a lot of transferable skills.
If you're not into the martial aspect of martial arts, try Daoist Tai Chi; you won't even know your doing a martial art (unless you have experience in another martial art). It's like the karate kid version (paint the fence, house, sand the floor, wax on wax off). There may be a lot of off-putting inaccurate seemingly nonsensical description, but persevere; the Tia Chi is real. I'm sure the description has a purpose, but as an engineer with a solid background in basic physics, I've learned to ignore their physical descriptions and just do the Tai Chi.
 

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+1 to rollerblading. That or ice skating - whichever is more feasible. I happen to live in a neighborhood with wide flat streets and little traffic, so rollerblading is easy from my house in the summer.

Work up to balancing on one skate while gliding down the street. This is much harder than balancing on one ski and will make balancing on one ski feel trivial.

There is no 'pressuring the tips' on skates or riding the tails. Balance is a lot more precise.
 

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Work up to balancing on one skate while gliding down the street. This is much harder than balancing on one ski and will make balancing on one ski feel trivial.

This. There is a world of skills that transfer over - but just about all of them hinge on the ability to balance on one skate.
 

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Do you think that are there any excercises without skis that you can do by the whole year and that can help you improving your technique (elimination sitting on the back, starting pushing legs and keeping body straightforward) ?

IMO, significant improvements can be made in the off season. I second or third the rollerblades, that's assuming you can do this on a weekly basis. For those who have commitments to SO, kids, work or the outdoors is not cooperating, it does become a problem. If that's the case, which was my case for years, I used indoor drill/exercises I can do in a time slot just for myself. To name a few, I use a 360 degree balance board and single leg balance exercises. The later can be enhanced with a vibration board. For strength and endurance, I do HIIT cardio on a stationary bicycle setup. In addition, I use this stationary setup to do a light workout to recover from the previous day or two of skiing bumps, just to circulate the fluids in the body. Being able to ski for multiple days during the season is equally important, you might do something that feels right and the best thing is to go out the next day and try to get that feeling again instead of stewing on it for a week or two.
 

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I second or third the rollerblades, that's assuming you can do this on a weekly basis.

I will disagree with this -- initially you will need to work with inline skates weekly to refine balance. But, I found that after a month or two, I had plateaued regarding skill acquisition. You can then drop to every other week, then monthly and not lose much relating to balance. I had a huge gain from doing the skates the first summer. In the following summer, I only went out a few times to refresh balance. Maintenance of the balance was not difficult and benefits were preserved for the next ski season with much less time on skates. It's still fun to skate, but if you can't get out there, it's not the end of the world.

I go to the gym otherwise and go hiking/skating for variety now.
 

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Let's say you can skate 3-5 times a week, you can work on umpteen dozen ski-related things including

inside knee angles - you simply cannot do a lunge turn properly otherwise
falling 'foragonally' - there is no way to not do this and skate faster than a runner
quadricep and hip conditioning - both eccentric and concentric extension, way past the plane of the hips
steering the foot from the hip - especially when you learn to carve the long leg toe in
core/back/hamstring conditioning - when your back has to shift you and center you from one foot to the other at 65-70rpm for hours, you're way ahead of most cyclists. In fact you should be able to sprint up 50-80 foot hills faster than most cyclists, especially if they are on 1x drivetrains.

and you can do all that without any specific skate-to-ski program. Every skating stride, done properly, has every element of a ski turn. Including uphill.

Do enough skating and you don't need any weight room leg conditioning for skiing. The only reason to go to the gym is upper body - so you don't look like a T-rex.
 

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Refining movement patterns is an awesome off-season activity. However, you will not get the info that you need on-line.

Your two best sources of The Truth:

- Anne Healzer. PT out of Seattle. She can work remotely with you.

- Robin Barnes: PSIA D-Team, works out if CA and Portillo.
 

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In line skating or skiing the opposite hemisphere, or both, would be the optimal idea surely?

That aside activities which aide balance, general fitness, flexibility and core strength would allbe good. Surfing. Swimiing. Paddle boarding. Tennis. Yoga. Pilates. Cycling. I’m sure there’s lots more.

I go with surfing swimming yoga and occasional (very occasional) in line skating, normally just in the few weeks pre season
 

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As stated in the article below...

“The benefit of training movement patterns in the off-season is the opportunity for a skier to develop mastery of a specific movement. This is when habitual movement patterns are best retrained, not while on snow.”


Dryland Ski Training: Part 1 – Are You in a Place Where You Don’t Know, What You Don’t Know?


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Want to ski like Steve and Phil Mahre? Off season drills that address your less-than-efficient movement patterns go a long way. Taking one of their excellent clinics helps as well.





There are so many online tools out there for skiing performance - it seems every other person has an idea about what is right. Without having someone who can really assess HOW you move, you will only continue to build compensation - fitness alone is only part of the picture. Dr. Anne Healzer Garske





This article is not about killer workouts. It is about assessing where you are, and what you need to work on to achieve your skiing goals. This is about information that helps you plot your course. Or as United States Ski Team High Performance Director, Troy Taylor said, ‘You need to know where you are, where you want to go, and develop a plan to get there”.


Functional Movement Analysis for Skiers


Enter FMS, or Functional Movement Analysis. FMS has been a standard in the Military and athletic world for some time. To dig deeper we went to the source, Ellen K Donald PT PhD. With a PhD in Educational Measurement and Research, she is a leader in her field. According to Dr. Donald, “All of the movements found in the FMS are common movements that a skilled physical therapist would assess if doing a comprehensive assessment of an active person. This collection of movements certainly gives you a good overview of the nature of a person's movement, and where they may lack control, range of motion, or balance.”





Essentially, FMS is a standardized functional movement protocol. Its accuracy and relevance is highly dependent on the therapist administering it. Its value is in discovering where your limitations are. According to Dr. Donald, “…if you move better, have better core control, are able to stabilize while moving dynamically, you will be less likely to experience injury.” To that list, I’ll add that if you are stabilized when you move dynamically, you can exert more power, with less physical effort. An FMS test is a diagnostic tool that can help you get there.





I know that you are not out to win a national title. In my experience of teaching alpine skiing full-time, the number one limiter of guests’ ability to enjoy their vacation is often manifested in a lack of range of motion. They simply do not have the range of motion to use their equipment the way that it was designed. They fight for every turn, and are gassed.





Perhaps USST’s Troy Taylor said it best, “Skiing is a complex activity, even at the recreational level, technical skill needs to be met with physical and mental competency in order to mitigate the likelihood of injuries and maximize enjoyment on the slopes.”





We’re talking about stoke.





How to Utilize FMS for Skiing



While FMS is a great tool, interpreting the results and having an accurate action plan for skiing will depend on the skill of the practitioner. It boils down to your practitioner having a deep understanding of skiing mechanics. If your PT is not certified as an instructor and / or coach, they are probably not your best source of the truth.





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Dr. Anne Healzer Garske administers an FMS evaluation





Fortunately, a few of these individuals exist. In the recreational ski world, Dr. Anne Healzer Garske, in the Seattle, Washington area, may be the best resource. Dr. Healzer is not only a doctorate level PT, she is also a PSIA Level III instructor.





Dr. Healzer’s journey with the melding of skiing and PT started when she struggled to improve her skiing. She selected exercises that mimic the movements to train while off the hill, for greater efficiency on the hill. Dr. Healzer states, “The benefit of training movement patterns in the off-season is the opportunity for a skier to develop mastery of a specific movement. This is when habitual movement patterns are best retrained, not while on snow.”





If you are not vibing with a trip to Washington State, Dr. Healzer can work with skiers remotely. The first step is to have an FMS conducted locally. Costs can range from free at local health fairs, to several hundred dollars for an office visit. Get your hands on those written results, and contact information for the administering PT. With those results, and ideally a video of your skiing, Dr. Healzer can help you identify areas that need attention.





If you are after a ski vacation, Washington State may be the best kept secret in the ski world. Spend some time with Dr. Healzer, road trip up to Mt Baker, Steven’s Pass Ski Area, Crystal Mountain and the Mahre brother’s lair, White Pass.





In my case, Dr. Healzer advised that I had all of the strength that I ever needed. My limiter was range of motion. While I adore weight training, it was not what I needed. So rather than doing what I like, I did what needed to be done. The results in my skiing efficiencies were profound. Sometimes you need to suck it up, and be comfortable with being uncomfortable, to move forward on your path of mastery.





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Do short radius turns and bumps just kill you? It may not be your skis. Or your boots. It may be that you simply do not have the lower torso range of motion to execute. FMS, swivel plates, and a prescribed range of motion drills may do more for you than any new piece of equipment.





It should be noted that a person’s aggregate FMS score is also not a reflection of ability in their chosen domain. According to Dr. Josh MacNaughton, specialists who compete at the razor’s edge, like world-class cyclists, often score relatively low on FMS. Take a look at the most efficient cyclists’ builds: svelte cores and upper bodies, coupled with ripped legs. Core strength is lacking. It doesn’t mean that those athletes are not fit. It just means that they are ideally honed for their chosen endeavor.





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World Mountain Bike Champion undergoes an integrated bike fit / FMS evaluation at Tomsic PT in Durango, Colorado. FMS can be used for virtually any athletic domain. Your results will depend on the skill of the practitioner administering it.





Is it worth it? Many fitness and nutrition articles posted on-line are generally worth about what they cost. Best case scenario: you will discover a movement or two that is challenging, and it may lead to better performance. Worst case scenario: you will adopt a movement or exercise that adds to imbalances that you already have, thereby making a less than ideal situation worst. Without FMS assessment, you are really in a place where you don’t know what you don’t know.





The assessment is also the easy part. The hard part is executing the action plan. Like me, you may adore weight training. And it may not be what you need on your path to mastery. It might be that what you need to do is something that you absolutely suck at, and don’t enjoy. Now is when you test if your commitment is fleeting, or forever.





I’m fond of a quote by legendary strength coach Louie Simmons, "When you attempt to build capacity on dysfunction, you are actually deepening the attractor state of your compensation. Thus, you are building compensation, not capacity.” As we age, and it doesn’t matter if we are 17 or 70, we inevitably impact our bodies with wear and tear. Regardless of athletic domain, if those impacts and limitations are not addressed, we tend to build compensation to work around them, and not real capacity.





This is first in a series of articles by Point 6 Ambassador and PSIA instructor Marty Grabijas, and PSIA Instructor and Dr. Anne Healzer Garske. Watch this page for future articles that will outline specific drills to tackle the most commonly seen limiters to skiing performance.


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Marty Grabijas is a PSIA Instructor who works at ski areas that provide exceptional guest experiences. His day job, which he is retired from, was as a product developer in the outdoor industry. Off season he is an examiner for whitewater kayaking, rides bikes, and chases high-alpine objectives in Colorado’s Weminuchi Wilderness Area.











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Dr. Anne Healzer Garske specializes in orthopaedic manual therapy and is experienced in treating a wide range of musculoskeletal injuries including post surgical cases, complex spine injuries, and injuries related to sport activities. She treats master and professional level athletes
 

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excercises without skis that you can do by the whole year and that can help you improving your technique (elimination sitting on the back, starting pushing legs and keeping body straightforward) ?

Not sure what the latter two are, but, regarding sitting back, that is mainly a mental thing. So, mental exercise would be of great benefit. Walk down slopes. Gravelly, slippery slopes would be good, but anything. Walk straight down. Walk down making turns. Feel how much more control one has when attacking the hill (staying forward, projecting downhill), rather than leaning away from the hill. Do it on gradually steeper and steeper terrain. Teach the mind to embrace the hill, not fear it.
 

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There are some good suggestions already. Nothing that one could argue with. How much benefit toward skiing? I don't know. We have a short season here too and where i was in the "serious development mode" I did't find a lot could help my ski TECHNIQUE other than strength and flexibility training, I think the impact of off-season activities' direct benefit to skiing is minimal. Someone mentioned the Mahre brothers. I recall reading an article about them back in their hay-day where they basically said that they skiied themselves into shape and didn't do a whole lot off season. Professional skiers today have taken training to a whole 'nother level. But a casual 10 day/season skier probably isn't going to go into serious ski training in the off season. But strength training has many benefits on and off the slopes.

While rollerblading can help with fore/aft balance issues and is fun to do in itself, it doesn't completely mimic skiing. It's more similar to hockey. In fact, one has to be careful not to introduce inclination or banking while rollerblading, while skiers need to learn to angulate. Simulating the effect of direction change, speed and radius of turn on roller blades is difficult.

One of the biggest issues I see with many ski students is the SEQUENCE of muscle firing and movement. Often they have the correct mechanics, but use them out of order, which often work counter to (my) "core elements of skiing" (not PSIA's version using the same term- I started using it first :huh: ).

Bottom line: Do what's fun and will create general benefit for fitness, strength and flexibility. Perhaps with some books on technique you can pre-visualize what you have to do on snow. But I think that skiing is different enough from other activities that any direct benefit would probably be limited and is best accomplished on snow. I think the best advice would be to get some trained eyes on you early in the season and work on those elements throughout. Given enough time and diligent practice, even 10 snow days, improvement will stay with you from year to year.

Oh... One more thing I just remembered....
What always helped me jump start a season was at the end of a season I would create a journal with my thoughts from the season I was just ending. I found that journaling what I was working on helped me get my head back in the game when the next season hit and helped my skiing continue to improve season after season after season.

Good luck.
 

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