Having looked at Bob's video again, I think Marcel needs to change his name to something more Germanic like 'Johann' or 'Siegfried'. Skiing wise, he could use more 'lean back and wiggle'....
What do you think of the "hip to tip" slogan? Move the uphill hip to downhill ski tip mantra that seems to be the latest in the east anyway.
That's something being emphasised over here as well. Perhaps not those exact words -- but push that outside hip forward.
The outside hip being pushed forward would be waist steering.....
Not officially as far as I know, but indeed many coaches use it. I'm not particularly fond of it in general, but it works for some athletes.That's something being emphasised over here as well. Perhaps not those exact words -- but push that outside hip forward.
If you are talking about Mr Nordlund I'm a bit surprised because I have not heard him say that before, quite the contrary since one of his mantras are "finish the turn facing down". What it is really about is proper fore-aft but pushing the outside forward can really have different effects, one being too square to the skis. Like I said, it works for some individuals, but its not something I would coach as an "absolute" to a group.So two Swedes hear now. Welcome Jämt! So what's official? All the 'higher' level coaches we've had in our club (Huddinge) has been talking about pushing the outside (downhill) side into the turn. Some with recent national team level experience from Norway and Sweden. Also what I've heard on camps with Stockholm Ski Federation from coaches. Where are you based Jämt? Åre?
If you are talking about Mr Nordlund I'm a bit surprised because I have not heard him say that before, quite the contrary since one of his mantras are "finish the turn facing down". What it is really about is proper fore-aft but pushing the outside forward can really have different effects, one being too square to the skis. Like I said, it works for some individuals, but its not something I would coach as an "absolute" to a group.
I was with the national team in BR last week and some of the guys were working on getting rid of too much early counter, but not by pushing the outside forward. They are already forward and strong. On the other hand, If an individual drops the hip back and down we have a different situation.
Also interesting is that now when the GS skis go from 35 to 30 I think we will see less emphasis on fore and more on clean entries.
^^^^so maybe we have some confusion here? Some are taking "pushing the outside hip into the turn" to mean rotating the pelvis into the direction of the turn, hence Josh's waiststeering reference, but from what you just wrote it sounds like you are describing hip angulation, as in, moving the hips inside the path of the skis while moving over the outside ski with the upper body....pushing the hips into the turn could be viewed in this way...
zenny
What doesn't make a ton of sense to me is "pushing the outside hip into the outside ski" - what are you pushing it from?Semantics need to be in place. I'm just translating, not familiar with what it's described like in the US but what you say makes a lot of sense.