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In this SanFrancisco Gate article, you can read about the property and home of the late Wayne and Sandy Paulson which has been put on the market by their eight children for $15 million dollars.
Historic Lodge on last large parcel of land in Squaw Valley listed for sale


The hand-crafted lodge at 325 Squaw Valley Rd. sits among nearly 30 acres of aspen and pine groves and a wide-open meadow near the entrance to the ski resort. The home feels remote and secluded, but it's a less-than-10-minute walk to the ski lifts and the Village at Squaw Valley.

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It's nice, and that's a lot of land, but Mario Lemieux's cottage/house/mansion thing is for sale too near Tremblant: https://tremblant.evcanada.com/en/l...-905-ch-des-skieurs-mont-tremblant-qc-j8e3m8/

It's only $22 million!! Although that's in CAD, so it's a good deal, lol.

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In this SanFrancisco Gate article, you can read about the property and home of the late Wayne and Sandy Paulson which has been put on the market by their eight children for $15 million dollars.
Historic Lodge on last large parcel of land in Squaw Valley listed for sale


The hand-crafted lodge at 325 Squaw Valley Rd. sits among nearly 30 acres of aspen and pine groves and a wide-open meadow near the entrance to the ski resort. The home feels remote and secluded, but it's a less-than-10-minute walk to the ski lifts and the Village at Squaw Valley.

Photo: Engel and Völkers
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If the land can be sub divided...thats a helluva deal.
 
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If the land can be sub divided...thats a helluva deal.
According to the article, the kids are hoping to sell to someone who won't develop it. The only problem I see with that is, once you've sold it, you really don't have a say, unless there is some protected land type of thing attached to it.

From the article:
Wayne Jr., is hoping they find a buyer who respects and appreciates the land.


"It's a remarkable place," he says. "It's an irreparable place. It's crucial it gets into the right hands and not into the hands of someone who just wants to exploit it and to flip properties. It's an area where the possibility of doing something the right way with the right spirit in California in the Tahoe region is possible."
 
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According to the article, the kids are hoping to sell to someone who won't develop it.

From the article:
Wayne Jr., is hoping they find a buyer who respects and appreciates the land.


"It's a remarkable place," he says. "It's an irreparable place. It's crucial it gets into the right hands and not into the hands of someone who just wants to exploit it and to flip properties. It's an area where the possibility of doing something the right way with the right spirit in California in the Tahoe region is possible."

This is the issue I had with when they sold Squaw. Wayne Paulson pulled me aside at an event and said we need to do something about what KSL is doing with Squaw. Really? As long as you agree on an amount and you cash the check, you no longer can say word one what a new buyer does with a purchase. Same with this house, you don't want it to change? Then don't sell it. When Lola and I sold a house that had a tree that we planted for our daughter who passed and the new owners cut that tree down...while we were disappointed and shed more than one tear but we sold the house and signed off on all rights to complain.
 

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According to the article, the kids are hoping to sell to someone who won't develop it. The only problem I see with that is, once you've sold it, you really don't have a say, unless there is some protected land type of thing attached to it.

From the article:
Wayne Jr., is hoping they find a buyer who respects and appreciates the land.


"It's a remarkable place," he says. "It's an irreparable place. It's crucial it gets into the right hands and not into the hands of someone who just wants to exploit it and to flip properties. It's an area where the possibility of doing something the right way with the right spirit in California in the Tahoe region is possible."

I wish I had that kind of money, because I would love to buy it and not develop it.
 

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"It all depends......." You can put restrictions into any deed to restrict it's future use. The Poulson "kids" may have put a number of restrictions into place, ot their parents may have. Half of the land has a conservation restriction on it. So, 14 plus acres are forest, in perpetuity. What's kind of strange, I think,is that as advertised, the other 15 acres {including where the existing house sits, is zoned as "high density residential." I'm not familiar with the zoning laws and exactly what that means in Squaw Valley. Generally high density would mean the maximum number of bedrooms allowed, per acre. That's often how it's structured in a resort area, along with height restrictions, baths, parking, etc.

If I had to guess, it's maximum value is generated by that zoning. The conservation restrictions may be near the house, may even be a donut around the house, and along the driveway in. 14 acres is a LOT in that area, and will protect quite a bit of privacy. BTDT.

This is a huge generalization, but with eight children, and who knows how many grandchildren, there is often a lot of disagreement when selling a home like this. I agree with the thinking that you can't sell it, cash the check, and still own/control it. But, you CAN restrict it. Problem is that the more restrictions, the less value. And you'll have some of them wanting to preserve it as is, "like when we were kids, as Mom and Dad would have wanted", and others who are saying sell it for as much as possible. I assume there is going to be a big tax bill to be split eight ways, among other things.

Who knows, maybe the restrictions on half of the property are a fairy new thing, and were the result of some discussion and agreement among the family. Often the response if there are one or two who are fighting to keep as is, is: "OK. you two buy the other six of us out." Gets harder with a $15Mil price tag. Makes the two seriously question the value.

Who knows. Sad when these things happen. I have some close friends who grew up spending summers on Nantucket, at their grandmothers old farm. It was nothing special, and pretty well used and well loved. I believe that she and her husband bought it in the 1930's for something like $10K. However, it also came with over 100 acres of land. Land is more expensive on Nantucket than at Squaw, particularly the it comes with a couple thousand feet of shoreline. My two friends are part of a BIG family. Many. many cousins and aunts and uncles at the time Grandma died. For at least two decades they had been after the family to have some real estate planning done. She has so many heirs that if she had gifted each the maximum possible, over a 20 year period, she could have had the entire thing out of her estate. The family would still own it.

Instead she died owning it. There were no restrictions on it. NONE. They tried very, very hard to have it appraised for as low a number as possible, which proved to be impossible. I can't recall the number, but there was no chance of them keeping it. They'd have to pay the tax, to begin with. And, there was plenty of infighting. Some just wanted the money, ASAP. I recall my friends saying "I hope it doesn't get ruined......" Well, you can't pocket tens of millions of dollars and still own it. It now has many, many very tasteful and mega expensive homes on it, on big lots for the island. 3-4 acre lots. The original house was torn down pretty quickly. You would have to strain very hard to recognize what it once was. The developers, as most do there, made a killing.

I have seen it happen a lot. If you drive up to the Mt Mansfield Ski Club, from the Spruce base area, you literally drive right over the site of my parents second ski house. Thankfully none of us owned it at the time the the MM ski company bought all of those houses. But it's odd. "Dad, where was Gramma and Grandpa's ski house?" Pretty much right under this road, under the car, as far as I can tell.....

Poulsons sold out, long ago. Having created a large fortune off a pretty modest investment from the railroad. Enter Alex Cushing and Laurence Rockefeller, and at least the first couple of chapters were history.

Will be interested to see what happens, and what the real market for it is. So much crazy money in the Bay Area, you never know. Would be a nice place to boot up, and use for guests for Larry Elison, when he comes over from his compound on the lake in Incline.

Tamara McKinney, overall WC winner, has the listing, BTW.
 

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Whitewater was for sale at $1,000,000 Canadian in the mid-80's.
Look at that for a relative value.
 
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When my parents sold their 80 acres at the time of their retirement, they had a few restrictions until it was paid off. Restrictions included not clearcutting the hard woods, not caring the Christmas tree acreage unless or until the trees were harvested by the farmer who planted them. Once the land contract was paid off, all bets were off.
Tamara McKinney, overall WC winner, has the listing, BTW.
That doesn't surprise me.
 

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Our Crested Butte house went on the market today. Asking price is way less than the Poulson property. Makes sense as the lot is way smaller than the Squaw Valley place, and the house is smaller too. Couldn't resist adding this to the thread.
 

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