Help! Cuff Alignment

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  1. rjski

    rjski At the base lodge Skier

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    I just realized Spro 120 doesn't have any cuff alignment setting like other boots. Is it because its Custom Shell HD or it's entirely not possible to make it work unless you have completely straight legs?

    At the moment it causes knee pain while bending.

    Thanks for the help.
     

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  2. Near Nyquist

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    Salomon offers a customizable oversized pivot kit



    @cem can install it for you

    Or any salomon dealer with the tool
     
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    Thanks for the reply but If you watch it carefully these are 140 flex and their oversized pivotn cover are with holes, mines don't have those since they are 120 model(You can also see at the pic I post).
     
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    Then it’s heat molding time to get it to match your anatomy
     
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    I'm not sure if the cuff is moldable to bring it to sides, do you have a knowledge about that?
     


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    Philpug Notorious P.U.G. Admin Pugski Ski Tester

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    The current S/Max 130 has alignment ability. If the oversized hinge cover has two holes in it, you can unscrew them and access the screw. Past that, align can be done during the heat mold.
     
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    On S/Max and S/Pro boots (as well as X/Max and X/Pro) without the screw cuff hinge, the rivet must be ground out from the inside. It is soft aluminum and doesn't put up much of a fight. It gets replaced with a t- nut and then the rest of the installation proceeds normally.
    Heat molding is not a substitute for proper cuff alignment with the brand S boots, particularly if you need the cuff to move medically.


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    I'm not sure if the cuff is moldable to bring it to sides, do you have a knowledge about that?
    Two opposite views here, I also talked with a 2 different bootfitter yesterday, they were in different opinions as well about alignment can be done during heat mold..
    Plinly, this structure making me think even tho if you replace them with a t-nut, it's not going to gain the ability of giving cuff an angle on the sides.
     

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    I will defer to @pliny the elder
     
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    When you install cuff alignment onto the S/Max chassis it has the same range as the S/Race (which comes with it) or the 130 which already has the screw fitting. You still have to reduce the lug size on the 130, but the t-nut is already there. The reason for this is simple, rivets are cheaper than t-nuts. As you move down the food chain prices lower and features get deleted.

    It is actually quite unfortunate that the ski industry has tied price and quality to flex and last, but that is a topic for another time.

    The Salomon cuff system once installed, adds .5 degrees of range to each side. You can tip the cuff 1 degree in each direction.
    Not exceptional, but far better than none.

    As to the heat mold ability for cuff alignment, if people are finding it works for their customers that's great. I think this is where you insert an acronym, like YMMV.

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    I’m told it’s heating
     
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    Thanks a lot for the information. I talked with one of the experienced bootfitters in Mammoth over the phone, he basically told me that he can do canting as adding plates under the boot and it's going to work like cuff alignment. My concern is; That is not going to feel same as cuff alignment ergonomically on the knee.

    What is your opinion?
     
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    We discuss that here Boots by the Numbers, Pt 2 and here Boots by the Numbers, Pt. 3 But I do hear that Ficher is bucking that trend a bit.
     
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    Cuff alignment and canting are not the same thing. The purpose of cuff alignment is to match the angle of your leg so that you stand flat with the feet at an appropriate width.Canting increases or decreases your leverage and the amount of rotation applied to the skis as your weight moves from one side to the other.
    It is impossible to know what you need over the Internet, in anticipation of the next question.

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