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Folks, should we branch out this discussion about what the different "run classifications" mean? I do think it's interesting on its own. But it doesn't really add much to the OP.
Surely there's already a thread somewhere for this tired subject.
The grooming could be branched off.
 

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....Not everyone likes skiing the same way.....
....This means not everyone will enjoy staying on a green trail until they learn perfect parallel turns. They'd rather quit skiing than do this.
....So, the moral of the story is that there's nothing wrong with the approach in the video for some people. It's what floats their boat. Different strokes for different folks.
Excellent points that need to be acknowledged more often.
 
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Yeah but that wasn't the case with the video.
The incidence of "people making perfect turns on green" and not branching out is near zero. This is a fiction.
The main practioners of that would be harbians.
 

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So, the moral of the story is that there's nothing wrong with the approach in the video for some people. It's what floats their boat. Different strokes for different folks.
Only if their presence and inability to control their skis doesn't cause risk for others present or cause others to have to rescue them when they get hurt because they had no business being on the run.
 

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I'd take my chances with her before I trust some experts going 60 mph to see a rock or death cookie and avoid taking me out.
 

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Folks, should we branch out this discussion about what the different "run classifications" mean? I do think it's interesting on its own. But it doesn't really add much to the OP.
I think the discussion about run classifications can stay here as relevant to the OP, but the stuff about using a winch and how grooming can happen on significant slopes is a topic on its own.
I can do it.
 

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I don't think I got onto a blue in three days, but once I got sick of the crowds, I did start moving up in trail difficulty. For me, it seemed reasonable that to move up in skill and terrain I would have to occasionally over-terrain myself, recognize the skill gap, fill it in with lessons, tips, or just practice on a less difficult run, then retest myself on a more difficult run. Rinse and repeat. This kept me entertained and challenged. But I should have taken more lessons earlier on than I did.

You know, Killington has several steep groomed black diamond runs. It's where they hold those things called races.
 

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What do we think of this. Don't really see the process. 3 days from zero to "black diamond".
After the first 15 sec or so, skip to 1:45 to avoid the Greyhound schill.

@Ron , this was at Steamboat.

I would love to se her take swing at Loafer and Davis "Blue Diamond" runs in ABasin's The Beavers on an average day. :roflmao: I dont think its gonna end well :roflmao:
 

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I would have to occasionally over-terrain myself, recognize the skill gap, fill it in with lessons, tips, or just practice on a less difficult run, then retest myself on a more difficult run. Rinse and repeat.
I like to say, "one too easy, one too hard, one just right." I think you have a right to a little bit of over-terraining if you want it.

but the stuff about using a winch and how grooming can happen on significant slopes is a topic on its own.
Back before they had winch cats (see, it is relevant) Outer Limits at Killington really did have VW-Beetle-sized moguls. And the first time I went down it, I fell on every single one. [At the end, we came into the lodge at the bottom and a guy sitting in the window said "nice run, man.":roflmao:] But other runs that were hard were suddenly easy after that.
 
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Back before they had winch cats (see, it is relevant) Outer Limits at Killington really did have VW-Beetle-sized moguls. And the first time I went down it, I fell on every single one. [At the end, we came into the lodge at the bottom and a guy sitting in the window said "nice run, man.":roflmao:] But other runs that were hard were suddenly easy after that.
They can still get that way. Now they have the option of making them disappear.
 

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I like to say, "one too easy, one too hard, one just right." I think you have a right to a little bit of over-terraining if you want it.



Back before they had winch cats (see, it is relevant) Outer Limits at Killington really did have VW-Beetle-sized moguls. And the first time I went down it, I fell on every single one. [At the end, we came into the lodge at the bottom and a guy sitting in the window said "nice run, man.":roflmao:] But other runs that were hard were suddenly easy after that.
I remember looking at it in 1986 and saying that it was just impossible to ski with any sort of competency... at least by mere mortals.
 

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I would love to se her take swing at Loafer and Davis "Blue Diamond" runs in ABasin's The Beavers on an average day. :roflmao: I dont think its gonna end well :roflmao:
I saw a young kid slide down the steepest part of Loafer on his back. You shouldn't need self-arrest skills on an intermediate trail!

Check out how the trail dives right down those topo lines at the blue square labeled B-4 I circled in red:

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Full Beavers Expansion Map: https://www.fs.usda.gov/nfs/11558/www/nepa/95192_FSPLT3_1462715.pdf
 

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Bet she's loving the clicks she's getting with 1,800 views on this site alone.
1800 views of the thread doesn't translate into 1800 views of her video. It's probably between 100-200 views from this site. Out of 521,302 views, that's nothing. Sorry, we're small potatoes, and she probably doesn't care about our opinion much. Go ahead Phil, hit the hate button. Lucky me, you don't have one.
 
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By the topo that blue looks just as steep as the black yet has a double fall line?
Yeah, it's awesome. They should put up a live video webcam there. :rolleyes:

I don't have a pic of that fun spot, but for context here's the other "blue" run in the Beavers where it goes under the lift. It's B-2 on that map above, aka Davis:

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By the topo that blue looks just as steep as the black yet has a double fall line?
Yeah, the blues in the Beavers are pretty steep. But the blacks have trees (except the lift line).
I was just looking at the trail map and realized how much of the Beavers I never skied. Everytime we went off the blue we wound up on trees on Bailey Brothers or the bumps under the lifts. Not on purpose, it just sort of happened.
 

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By the topo that blue looks just as steep as the black yet has a double fall line?
The reasoning is that by keeping it "groomed" the blue run is easier than the "black". But since the top part of the blue run is above treeline and in a different aspect the "blue" run is SLICK most times and just wind blown. I actually love it. Great spot to test the edge hold on skis. :D Most rental skis can't handle it.

Like @tball said, there should be some cameras there! :D
 

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Bringing the off-topics together, I don't think you should need a winch cat to groom a blue run as they do in the Beavers.

Is that a fair general criterion for not-blue? A blue run should be groomed it without a winch? Do any other blue runs out there need winch cats?

It's awesome Al discusses this on his blog:
http://arapahoebasin.blogspot.com/2018/01/loafer-closed-thursday-winch-cat.html
http://arapahoebasin.blogspot.com/2018/12/loafer-and-davis-and-grooming.html
http://arapahoebasin.blogspot.com/2019/02/loafer-and-davis-skiing-nicely.html
 
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