From never ever to black diamond skier in three days

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    James Skiing the powder Instructor

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    Surely there's already a thread somewhere for this tired subject.
    The grooming could be branched off.
     
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    LiquidFeet Making fresh tracks Instructor

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    Excellent points that need to be acknowledged more often.
     
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    James Skiing the powder Instructor

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    Yeah but that wasn't the case with the video.
    The incidence of "people making perfect turns on green" and not branching out is near zero. This is a fiction.
    The main practioners of that would be harbians.
     
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    coskigirl Making fresh tracks Skier

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    Only if their presence and inability to control their skis doesn't cause risk for others present or cause others to have to rescue them when they get hurt because they had no business being on the run.
     
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    Wilhelmson Out on the slopes Skier

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    I'd take my chances with her before I trust some experts going 60 mph to see a rock or death cookie and avoid taking me out.
     


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    Tricia The Velvet Hammer Admin Pugski Ski Tester

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    I think the discussion about run classifications can stay here as relevant to the OP, but the stuff about using a winch and how grooming can happen on significant slopes is a topic on its own.
    I can do it.
     
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    Marker XLTL Skier

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    I don't think I got onto a blue in three days, but once I got sick of the crowds, I did start moving up in trail difficulty. For me, it seemed reasonable that to move up in skill and terrain I would have to occasionally over-terrain myself, recognize the skill gap, fill it in with lessons, tips, or just practice on a less difficult run, then retest myself on a more difficult run. Rinse and repeat. This kept me entertained and challenged. But I should have taken more lessons earlier on than I did.

    You know, Killington has several steep groomed black diamond runs. It's where they hold those things called races.
     
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    Ken_R Living the Dream Skier

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    I would love to se her take swing at Loafer and Davis "Blue Diamond" runs in ABasin's The Beavers on an average day. :roflmao: I dont think its gonna end well :roflmao:
     
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    mdf entering the Big Couloir Skier

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    I like to say, "one too easy, one too hard, one just right." I think you have a right to a little bit of over-terraining if you want it.

    Back before they had winch cats (see, it is relevant) Outer Limits at Killington really did have VW-Beetle-sized moguls. And the first time I went down it, I fell on every single one. [At the end, we came into the lodge at the bottom and a guy sitting in the window said "nice run, man.":roflmao:] But other runs that were hard were suddenly easy after that.
     
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    James Skiing the powder Instructor

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    They can still get that way. Now they have the option of making them disappear.
     
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    Ken_R Living the Dream Skier

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    I remember looking at it in 1986 and saying that it was just impossible to ski with any sort of competency... at least by mere mortals.
     
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    Pat AKA mustski Making fresh tracks Skier

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    I ended up on a blue run that had VW sized moguls, at Brighton, many years ago. Suffice it to say that I was definitely over terrained on that run!
     
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    tball Zipped up Skier

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    I saw a young kid slide down the steepest part of Loafer on his back. You shouldn't need self-arrest skills on an intermediate trail!

    Check out how the trail dives right down those topo lines at the blue square labeled B-4 I circled in red:

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    Full Beavers Expansion Map: https://www.fs.usda.gov/nfs/11558/www/nepa/95192_FSPLT3_1462715.pdf
     
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    Wilhelmson Out on the slopes Skier

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    Bet she's loving the clicks she's getting with 1,800 views on this site alone.
     
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    1800 views of the thread doesn't translate into 1800 views of her video. It's probably between 100-200 views from this site. Out of 521,302 views, that's nothing. Sorry, we're small potatoes, and she probably doesn't care about our opinion much. Go ahead Phil, hit the hate button. Lucky me, you don't have one.
     
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    James Skiing the powder Instructor

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    By the topo that blue looks just as steep as the black yet has a double fall line?
     
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    Yeah, it's awesome. They should put up a live video webcam there. :rolleyes:

    I don't have a pic of that fun spot, but for context here's the other "blue" run in the Beavers where it goes under the lift. It's B-2 on that map above, aka Davis:

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    mdf entering the Big Couloir Skier

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    Yeah, the blues in the Beavers are pretty steep. But the blacks have trees (except the lift line).
    I was just looking at the trail map and realized how much of the Beavers I never skied. Everytime we went off the blue we wound up on trees on Bailey Brothers or the bumps under the lifts. Not on purpose, it just sort of happened.
     
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    Ken_R Living the Dream Skier

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    The reasoning is that by keeping it "groomed" the blue run is easier than the "black". But since the top part of the blue run is above treeline and in a different aspect the "blue" run is SLICK most times and just wind blown. I actually love it. Great spot to test the edge hold on skis. :D Most rental skis can't handle it.

    Like @tball said, there should be some cameras there! :D
     
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    tball Zipped up Skier

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    Bringing the off-topics together, I don't think you should need a winch cat to groom a blue run as they do in the Beavers.

    Is that a fair general criterion for not-blue? A blue run should be groomed it without a winch? Do any other blue runs out there need winch cats?

    It's awesome Al discusses this on his blog:
    http://arapahoebasin.blogspot.com/2018/01/loafer-closed-thursday-winch-cat.html
    http://arapahoebasin.blogspot.com/2018/12/loafer-and-davis-and-grooming.html
    http://arapahoebasin.blogspot.com/2019/02/loafer-and-davis-skiing-nicely.html
     
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