Everyday Wax Line?

Discussion in 'Tuning Techniques and Tool Information' started by Tony S, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. Tony S

    Tony S aka qcanoe Skier

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    I realized to my astonishment the other day that I'm almost dead out of everyday glide wax. (This, of course, was after all the big wax sales.) How did that happen?

    Anyway, I see this as an opportunity to re-set with a consistent brand / line. Obviously I can go with Swix CH. It seldom seems to go on sale in any serious way. Meh.

    I have used some of the Dominator mid-upper range race waxes and liked them, as well as the black Renew prep wax, but honestly I've had trouble understanding their system even after several tries. Very opaque.

    For a while I was big on the Briko base waxes, but something seems to have happened to that line on the Slide Wright site - no more blue! (P.S. Very user-unfriendly on a phone. The site, not the wax.)

    In about to go with Holmenkol "mix" series from Artech, or maybe Ski-go, but open to other suggestions. Extra points if you are also a Nordic skier.
     
  2. BGreen

    BGreen Out on the slopes Skier

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    Dominator is pretty easy, hydrocarbon blue, red or zoom cover you from 5-32f, though blue (I think that’s HX77) gets you 5-20f. Holmenkol betamix is a great 7-25f wax, but isn’t super durable. I figure a ski needs to be re-waxed after about 10 runs. Add ultramix below 15f. Same with toko nf red and blue. Artech frequently has bulk CH5 on sale on Amazon. They all have pros and cons. If you are looking for an easy to use, durable wax, Dominator is hard to beat.
     
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    @Tony S, Thought @ScotsSkier had some wax blocks for sale on this site. Might one of them hold you over while you ponder?
     
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    Okay, I'll take my sluggish brain over there for another look. Thanks.
     
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    Yeah, I can get by raiding the missus's wax box. After years of inconsistency I want to settle into something where I'm not always juggling a hodgepodge of brands and colors that I got on special discount.
     


  6. Dakine

    Dakine Getting off the lift Skier

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    The fastest skis I have have been waxed with only Holmenkohl Betamix Red...about several hundred times.
    Closest thing I know to a one size fits all wax.
     
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    ScotsSkier USSA Coach Pugski Ski Tester Industry Insider

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    Add a little ultra (blue) to the mix. It will surprise you!
     
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    BGreen Out on the slopes Skier

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    HX77 for winter, mix with HX88 on warmer days (1:1), in spring aggressive snow conditions mix with yellow (1:1). It’s pretty easy. Zoom graphite is an acceptable 10-32f wax. Don’t over think. They all work. I’m currently using Swix because it fits my needs. The Swix waxes have broader temp range than claimed and are best toward the warmer end of the range.
     
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  9. RobSo

    RobSo Booting up Skier

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    Holmenkol products are great. But I use them very sparingly because of the high cost. Especially the GW25. My go-to wax is the Toko LF Universal Wax. I buy them in bulk, 2.5 kg at a time. For recreational skis I would stick with good quality CH wax and mix in a bit of Moly/graphite.
     
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    trailtrimmer Stuck in the Flatlands Skier

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    If it's above 10 degrees I just put Hertel FC739 on. It's cheap, quick and wears well.
     
  11. cantunamunch

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    So - you're really shopping for a grip wax brand. Otherwise you're right back in hodgepodge land.

    I still have some Maplus grip wax in the box; then it's back to 100% Toko.
     
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    Glide wax. But yes. Exactly.
     
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    So, I had no idea about the existence of the HX series. It must be newer, or else I just wasn't paying attention. Looked on the site - much easier to grok than all the Zoom / Bullet stuff. I'm going to give it a shot. Thanks.

    (I did realize again that part of my confusion about Zoom is that it's really the fine-print subflavors of Zoom that you have to pay attention to. Doesn't help that they often recommend "Zoom" without a qualifier, when there's a whole slew of waxes called "Zoom." Does that mean "plain Zoom," or "any old Zoom," or what? Also doesn't help that they all say "all-temperature wax." Their Zoom packaging needs a lot of design help if user comprehension is the goal. Rant over.)
     
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    Are you skate-only this winter? Are you skins/Intelligrip, tape or scales? 'coz you will need grip wax otherwise
     
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    @Tony S HX is the original line, but there’s nothing sexy about hydrocarbon wax, so they don’t promote it. Zoom is a 10-32f wax. Graphite works better in dry snow or abrasive snow. Race Zoom has fluoro. New snow race zoom is zoom + fluoro + graphite. Old snow race zoom is zoom + fluoro + SRB. I might have that backwards, but you can tell looking T them. Bullet is their thermoactive ingredient added to the cold hydrocarbon base (I thinks that is HX07, it’s been a while).

    I’m a big fan of Dominator’s anti-stats, and Butter is great in the spring. That said, I think recreational skiers get far too wrapped around the axle with waxes. This stuff is meant to give a couple seconds difference in perfect conditions from the top of the run to the bottom. Find an appropriate hydrocarbon wax in a couple temperatures and be done.

    If you are a XC skier, that’s something different and is worth using a low fluoro wax as a starting point.
     
  16. Dwight

    Dwight Practitioner of skiing, solid and liquid Admin Moderator

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    That is why I like Purl. It works for me and easy to get at good prices.
     
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    KingGrump Most Interesting Man In The World Team Gathermeister

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    Ain't that the truth.
     
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    But how else can I escape to my shop and sample beverages.
    Besides, it is fun to have skis that are faster then the guys you are skiing with.
    At Taos there is no shortage of gravity so wax doesn't matter much except on the run back from the Phoenix to the base.
     
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  19. cantunamunch

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    If OP goes to Taos I'll bet he finds the bits where it does. https://enchantedforestxc.com/
     
  20. KingGrump

    KingGrump Most Interesting Man In The World Team Gathermeister

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    For mid winter conditions, almost any wax will do. Regardless of brand. So long the period between waxing is relatively short. Tended to err on the cold side.
    Normally use whatever I can get cheap. Swix, Toko, Briko & Wintersteiger are the usual suspects. Both CH & LF. No comments and/or complaints from the end users.

    Spring time is more critical when it comes to wax. Went from Swix CH10 to LF10 few years ago. Moved to F4 last spring with good results in terms of glide and durability. Have to remember, I'm here to ski not to wax skis. Got a good deal on HF for the next spring. Will worry about it then.
     
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