Edge angle Bonafides

Discussion in 'Tuning Techniques and Tool Information' started by EBG18T, Feb 2, 2019.

  1. EBG18T

    EBG18T Luv da snow! Skier

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    I’m going to get the bases ground as I have a few base high & edge high spots on both skis. It’s time to fix it.

    I was going to request a 1deg base, but torn between 2 or 3 deg edge. I’ve never touched these skis (new this year). I use a 1:3 on my Brahmas.

    This is for use in VT in varying conditions. Open to suggestions on this ski.
     
  2. cmackvt

    cmackvt Putting on skis Skier

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    I ski a 1/3 in Vermont on a 173 Bonafide. I've never felt it should be changed but I haven't tried a different edge angle so may just be what I'm used to.
     
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  3. Ken_R

    Ken_R Living the Dream Skier

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    I would use 3º edge angle for sure
     
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    EBG18T Luv da snow! Skier

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    Thanks guys. Thats what I was leaning towards, but figured I through it out there for input.
     
  5. Atomicman

    Atomicman Getting on the lift Skier

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    A few years back I was skiing with a friend who had a brand new pair of Bonafides. We traded skis and he skied on My Head Mojos with a 1/3 on them. When we were done, he said I want my Bonafides to ski like your Mojos. I took his skis home to measure the side bevels and to put a 3 degree on them..........the factory tune was already a 3 degree! I measured with an SVST Bevelmeter!

    He was a bit disappointed with the news. Don't remember if I measured the base bevel to see if they were over-beveled, but a true 1/3 is definitely preferred!
     


  6. François Pugh

    François Pugh Out on the slopes Skier

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    I would like a pair of Bonafides for the rare snow days here and for skiing in the woods. If there's a pair at the next ski swap I'll pick them up. I would put a 1/3 tune on them.
     
  7. Josh Matta

    Josh Matta Making fresh tracks Instructor

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    not really an awesome woods ski. I do run 1/3 on my 187cm which I basically only bring out for cruddy groomers days with some woods


    180cm not enough float, 187cm feels too long. The goldilocks skis for me is the 185cm Enforcer 100.
     
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    EBG18T

    EBG18T Luv da snow! Skier

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    I wonder if it varies based on production year? The dealer that I just had do the base grind indicated the current Bonafides were 1:2 and was wondering if I really wanted the change to the 1:3 like my Brahmas. I’ll be honest I didn’t check the edge angles before dropping them off so I can’t attest to them being 1:2 or 1:3.
     
  9. Atomicman

    Atomicman Getting on the lift Skier

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    A few years back I was skiing with a friend who had a brand new pair of Bonafides. We traded skis and he skied on My Head Mojos with a 1/3 on them. When we were done, he said I want my Bonafides to ski like your Mojos. I took his skis home to measure the side bevels and to put a 3 degree on them..........the factory tune was already a 3 degree! I measured with an SVST Bevelmeter!

    He was a bit disappointed with the news. Don't remember if I measured the base bevel to see if they were over-beveled, but a true 1/3 is definitely preferred!
    I hear this all the time about different skis. Thing is I have a $260 tool that measures accurately, particularly side edge bevel. Just had this discussion about the Enforcer 100. Mine, new out of the wrapper were 1/3. A member here said his were 1/2, but never told me how he measured them. It really doesn't matter what they were new. Put a 1/3 one them........you will never go back! No difference in soft snow....big difference on harder snow! This is particularly true since you already like the 1/3 on your Brahmas!
     
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  10. Ken_R

    Ken_R Living the Dream Skier

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    ^^^ This

    For skied out groomers and trees the 180cm is great. The 187cm is superb for open spaces but still retains some capability for tighter spots. They love to be let run free though.
     
  11. François Pugh

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    @Josh Matta and @Ken_R , what specifically makes the 2018 Bonafide not as good as the Enforcer 100 for tree skiing?
    I was thinking of picking one up because I enjoyed it so much in deep snow in the trees and it still could produce a hard turn on groomed snow when laid over, but I have only tried a handful of wide rockered skis. Me: 150 lbs, skiing 2nd longest length.
    Other suggestions? I'm looking for a cheap ski-swap purchase; we don't get enough snow her in Sudbury Canada, to cover the rocks in our little bush run.
     
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    The Enforcer is a bit "easier". I prefer the Bonafide though (for how and where I ski)
     
  13. Wilhelmson

    Wilhelmson Getting off the lift Skier

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    Why not experiment? Go 1/2 then next season or next month you can file a nice fresh 3 degree side.
     
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    I could do that, but I was having the base ground and already have 1:3 on my Brahmas. Basically I wanted reassurance that a 1:3 on a Bonafide would be fine, I had no reason to think it wouldn’t be, but no reason not to ask.

    I was looking at upgrading from my files to a motorized edging tool. But I just could decide. Plus the local guys just got a new Wintersteiger Neptune machine and the prices are reasonable.
     
  15. Atomicman

    Atomicman Getting on the lift Skier

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    I thought the Bonafide was pathetic...Enforcer is twice the ski. Bonafide tip folded up like a cheap tent, and some other weird flex point just behind the boot heel! But I hate skis that you must ski very uprightn from the center of the ski....And IMHO that is the Bonafide. NO tip driving allowed.

    Another issue is the Bonafide sizing....the 187 is 21M radius, 185 Enforcer is 18. The next size down in the Bonafide is a 180, which is just too short with the early rise tip & tail. And it still has a 19M radius.

    But there is more to the Enforcer than meets the eye, there is something magic about the shape, flex and construction. They nailed it!

    OTOH, Enforcer does it all. I was at Whistler last week and the ski was outstanding in every condition as well as at Crystal last Saturday. Skied Pow, Chop, Hard pack, Wind Crust, Death cookies, bumps, wind blown sun heated pow....the ski is simply ridiculous! And all the while skis like a race ski on the groomed! Simply delightful! Of course I have a Razor-tune 3 degree on them!
     
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  16. Atomicman

    Atomicman Getting on the lift Skier

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    That is not an Experiment, that is a waste of time!
     
  17. Atomicman

    Atomicman Getting on the lift Skier

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    Just got a Razor-tune and the thing is so Ph__cking easy to use! And the edge turns out amazingly good......Because it lays on flat on the ski, it is virtually impossible to F up your ski. And the finsh is so good. Skis like a dream!
     
  18. Wilhelmson

    Wilhelmson Getting off the lift Skier

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    lol, I went with a 3 degree because everyone on the internet does it. But sure, every hard core skier in VT and apparently BC as well. I go with 2 but I'm definitely not a role model.
     

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