The toe moves.Resurrecting an old thread to ask a question: I just ordered Tyrolia Attack13 demos. When I went to Tyrolia's website to look for more info/mounting beta, I see that the demo binding "features an anchored toe". WHOA! Does this really mean the toe piece is anchored and immovable? Or is this just poor choice of words and perhaps bad translation, which is supposed to say that the toe piece is anchored on a track?
I want to be able to play with mount position -- slide my boot forward and back. Anchored toe won't permit this.
http://www.tyrolia.com/en/skibindings/rental/
Plus, and this is most important to me, skis like the retail counterpart. When I am testing a ski, I do not want to feel that I have to think about the binding and if it is having a performance impact on the ski.+1 the toe is on a track and moves. An earlier version (2013?) the toe was not on track and didn't move. I could find pictures of the nontracked version a couple of months ago, but not now.
Love the bindings, low stance and able to play with mount point. It's worth the extra coin to be able to find the sweet spot.
Attack 13. Out of the bindings that you mentioned they cover all the bases. Light, minimal delta, Easy to get into with a short BSL. Check, check, check.I never realized that bindings might behave differently/have issues at varying boot lengths. I'm researching bindings now, BSL 266 on Santa Ana 100s, size 161. I'm around 122-ish lbs, so don't need a huge DIN. I was considering both Marker Squires, Griffons and Tyrolias Attack 13s. I don't need something super burly or want something very heavy. Apparently, there's some Marker hate? I don't know much about it, but would like to know if there are problems with Griffons and smaller skiers. Looks like folks here are Tyrolia fans. I know there are also Attack 12 and 11s - is there any substantive difference on these aside from the DINs? Is there a reason I'd want to go with a 13 over an 11? Thanks!
I never realized that bindings might behave differently/have issues at varying boot lengths. I'm researching bindings now, BSL 266 on Santa Ana 100s, size 161. I'm around 122-ish lbs, so don't need a huge DIN. I was considering both Marker Squires, Griffons and Tyrolias Attack 13s. I don't need something super burly or want something very heavy. Apparently, there's some Marker hate? I don't know much about it, but would like to know if there are problems with Griffons and smaller skiers. Looks like folks here are Tyrolia fans. I know there are also Attack 12 and 11s - is there any substantive difference on these aside from the DINs? Is there a reason I'd want to go with a 13 over an 11? Thanks!
Attack 13. Out of the bindings that you mentioned they cover all the bases. Light, minimal delta, Easy to get into with a short BSL. Check, check, check.
It is not "Marker hate" but knowing the limitations of a binding in certain applications and the Griffon and Squire are difficult to enter with a short BSL of a lighter skier like yourself. The reason to go with the 13 over the 11 is the delta of the binding, the difference between the toe and the heel heights are dramatic which is multiplied when you bring a 266mm boot into the mix. The 13 also has a better heel, you are not buying a bigger spring when you are going from the 11 to the 13, but a better built binding err interface between your boot and the ski.
I will add stand height too, the Attack Demo is 23mm and the Griffon is 29mm (both at the toe).^^^ a perfect reply from Phil
The added weight of the Attack 13 Demo, or even Squire/Griffon/Jester Demo, is neglible IMO.
The all-metal toe plate on the Attack 13 demo weighs 140 grams each ( 4.9 ounces, or 0.31 lb each )
The Marker demos will weigh even less as the toe plates are mostly plastic.
You will have much more weight variation in merely choosing between whatever Tyrolia, Marker, Salomon, Look / Rossignol, etc
Now if you we are talking about cheap system-demo-bindings that are on a typical rental fleet ski, than Yes those are heavy in comparison.
Attack 13. Out of the bindings that you mentioned they cover all the bases. Light, minimal delta, Easy to get into with a short BSL. Check, check, check.
It is not "Marker hate" but knowing the limitations of a binding in certain applications and the Griffon and Squire are difficult to enter with a short BSL of a lighter skier like yourself. The reason to go with the 13 over the 11 is the delta of the binding, the difference between the toe and the heel heights are dramatic which is multiplied when you bring a 266mm boot into the mix. The 13 also has a better heel, you are not buying a bigger spring when you are going from the 11 to the 13, but a better built binding err interface between your boot and the ski.
Given all the feedback and some digging in, it looks like the only differences between the Attack 12 and 13 are color, DIN range, and price, so I will go with one of those (likely determined by that last factor).
Okay I'm getting curious about trying out the Attack 13 Demos........... but do they move up and down the ski like the Schizos or am I locked in position? Also do they come in an MNC version?