When climbing in Yosemite it wasn't uncommon to come across pitches that were "sandbagged" in that they might call it a 5.10 but in reality it would be a 5.11+ in other parts of the country. It used to be a badge of honor with the old schoolers where it was like, I'm so good, this only feels like a 5.10 to me when us mere mortals were straining just to survive. Heck, some 5.9s in Yosemite could be downright scary and I've come across a few ski runs where there's a similar discrepancy but definitely not as common in our sport. A blue in Wisconsin may be like most greens out West and even out West, some mountains that generally have more expert terrain may stretch the truth a bit calling something a green if they are wanting to advertise more beginner friendly terrain. You could say they sandbagged those runs by making them appear easier than they actually are but the color grading is really just relative to that specific mountain.What’s a “Sandbag” ski run?
For the intervanced... If the snow is good, the stuff off of Lookout Ridge is a lot of fun - particularly Single Jack and Double Jack, though you have to take the ridge a long way out. And Congo seemed to be a PugSki group favorite if you're coming back to the base off Andesite. And Elk Park Meadow has infinite lines depending on conditions.To continue my "off" timing this year...
Went to Jackson last year when the gathering was at Big Sky and this year I'm headed to BS while y'all head to JH. Since it's been a while since I've been to BS and you all were there last year, anything stand out as runs you enjoyed (could be puckery or smooth), food to be found or other tips that I can't get from the normal Internet guides? We have one "intervanced" skier, but the rest are advanced to expert.
Any info would be much appreciated!!!!
I'd love to get together while we're there. I'll PM you. Thanks!@bruuce - shoot me your dates for BS.
We are at the gathering for only part of it and would be happy to show you around when your in town
Last time we got together in Steamboat we didn’t get to ski together- we need to fix that !
I think you mean Lone Mountain Sports - http://www.lonemountainsports.net/rentals/Skiing off the Tram goes from black diamond Liberty Bowl at the "easiest" on up to crazy when you can see where you're going. As it's about 1400' of exposed vertical there aren't many places to relax and cruise, for most ordinary mortals. One of the places we liked off Shedhorn was Dude Park (well spaced trees) which can be skied on even low vis days. There are more trails off Dakota and Shedhorn than there is grooming which can make for soft snow skiing. The Bowl has fun lines too and open slopes with good pitch. Single Jack and Double Jack are on the Moonlight Basin side of the place. While you're at Big Sky make a trip to the Corral for a meal. It's a cowboy bar with good bar food and happy people. Don't expect it to be quiet and romantic as it ain't either of those. Need a ski shop, rentals, tunes, or repairs? Find Lone Peak Sports, it's easy as it has ski in/ski out access. Extra points if you can find Rice Bowl and Buffalo Jump. Enjoy.