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Atomic/Salomon's New Race Binding

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We started seeing this binding on Marcel Hirscher's skis, then Mikaela's; now we are even seeing the black and blue Salomon version. @Rudi Riet got some great shots of the binding and even of the new plate from Killington.

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Even though there are some similarities to the Marker Comp, it is an Amer binding.
 
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Well it's not really new binding, and it's certainly not Atomic/Salomon, but old Marker ;) Last few months everyone on Atomic/Salomon are collecting all available old Marker bindings (not current ones, as they suck, but old ones), sending them to Atomic/Salomon, where they make them look like Atomic/Salomon and send them back to servicemen to mount them.
From what I heard, Marker's patent expired, and Atomic/Salomon tried to make their own binding based on that, but didn't work, so obviously they are not as stiff as they were before, and they let racers use this.
 

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Here's a side-by-side of the Marker Race (left) and the Atomic/Salomon new toepiece (again from Killington last weekend).

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Note that most of the Marker race bindings are looking really chewed up these days as they've been cosmetically updated over the years with simple paint, which had a tendency to chip.

Also some additional shots of the Salomon and Atomic branded bindings:

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so what is it?
I wrote earlier... old Marker, stripped of plastic by Atomic/Salomon and glued on very shitty and unprofessional looking plastic body. I have seen several dozen Marker bindings going back to company and few packages of them coming back with "new" housing. When holding that in hands, they look so badly done that it makes me wonder if there's really noone in whole Salomon/Atomic, that could do
at least half decent job molding some plastic. Sure it's race binding which goes out of sight as soon as skier comes to finish, but still.
 

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I wrote earlier... old Marker, stripped of plastic by Atomic/Salomon and glued on very shitty and unprofessional looking plastic body. I have seen several dozen Marker bindings going back to company and few packages of them coming back with "new" housing. When holding that in hands, they look so badly done that it makes me wonder if there's really noone in whole Salomon/Atomic, that could do
at least half decent job molding some plastic. Sure it's race binding which goes out of sight as soon as skier comes to finish, but still.

The AFD's and brakes scream old bindings for sure
 

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If these bindings are so old, how are they still indemnified? Or are they not THAT old?
 

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Indemnification does not come into play. Bindings are not being sold to consumers. No need to “protect” anybody.

Funny how this seems to come up every year, often every month of the race season.

The Marker “Comp 30.0 EPS” is the binding that is still preferred by virtually every guy who needs to be on Marker product on the WC. Very few exceptions. The Xcell just does not cut it with them. Look at everybody on a Nordica, a Volkl, the few on Blizzard. And others, who want to be on a piston plate, and have had the bindings cosmetically altered to pass them off as whatever binding they are under contract to use. Ski companies are more relaxed about it than they once were, and more so when the older generation stuff is just better.

Hirscher was obviously the most visible. And at first his Markers were painted, pretty much with model paint to not be red/white Marker and to vaguely look like an Atomic product.
Then we began to see the plastic covers and such. As Primoz says, some look pretty lousy! Not sure they fool anybody, at all.

Then again, at one point in Hircher’s career it was pretty humorous to discuss just what parts of his total equipment setup, if ANY, were made by Atomic. He pretty much could demand to use whatever could be built, by anybody, to make him consistently fast and dominant.

Marker bindings, properly adjusted, with boots that have the toe lugs perfectly routed are a great race set up. Those who used to complain about issues, almost guaranteed, were not dialed in the right way. Many a shop was clueless.

Then again, real race product almost never enters a retail shop.
 

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Very interesting. Couple questions:

-Why is this Marker binding preferred? What aspects make it so desirable to racers? Why doesn't the xcell cut it?

In the freeride world, Marker definitely does not have the reputation that say the a Look P18 does for example?

-How is Hirscher's deal different than Liensberger's recent debacle w/ equipment, other than being Hirscher, or is that the major reason? It seemed weird she couldn't get a boot supplier. Didn't lot's of people used to use different boots than their ski supplier, ala Dobermann's or Lange's, for years?
 

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Here were Mikaela's SG skis from Mammoth last May. I was wondering about the Red bindings which were conspicuously difference from all the rest of the Atomic bindings other athletes had...

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Here is another shot in the foreground showing a bunch of other Atomic's with the white bindings with a clearly different toe piece. That is also Christian Pondella taking a pict of Mikaela with his Grom. Funny to see a world class photographer grabbing the shot w/ a phone :D

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Very interesting. Couple questions:

-Why is this Marker binding preferred? What aspects make it so desirable to racers? Why doesn't the xcell cut it?

In the freeride world, Marker definitely does not have the reputation that say the a Look P18 does for example?

-How is Hirscher's deal different than Liensberger's recent debacle w/ equipment, other than being Hirscher, or is that the major reason? It seemed weird she couldn't get a boot supplier. Didn't lot's of people used to use different boots than their ski supplier, ala Dobermann's or Lange's, for years?

Regarding the second question, you might want to read https://www.pugski.com/threads/w-combined-2019-Åre.13976/ and https://www.pugski.com/threads/hahnenkam-kitzbühl-m-dh-garmish-w-dh.13697/page-5. Equipment questions were discussed there a lot.
 

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