I’ll still bet you that on any given weekend the lines will be longer at ABasin than Loveland.
It’s nice to have both.
No, Loveland is terrible, everyone should go to A-Basin where the Bloody Marys flow like water
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I’ll still bet you that on any given weekend the lines will be longer at ABasin than Loveland.
It’s nice to have both.
I share your thoughts. I am guessing that some on this thread are jealous of those who live in a mountain town, so they think I have to travel xyz and put up with crowds every day, so you shouldn't complain.
I unapolegtically don't like crowds. It's a catch-22, by default I have to take up space wherever I go, yet I don't like crowds. Yet people will just go on as this is self-entitled or hating tourists.
Not only that, but most of the big storms last season came in on weekends.
Point #1. There are good reasons for that.I’ll still bet you that on any given weekend the lines will be longer at ABasin than Loveland.
It’s nice to have both.
Point #1. There are good reasons for that.
I am usually the dumb ass in the bunch. What I don't understand is if skiers days are flat, where are all these people coming from?
Some resort somewhere must be missing a whole bunch of skiers.
They probably sold less. Why would you buy a pass till you know what group they’ll join? Unless you ski there more than a week.But here’s the question: does anybody really believe that A-Basin didn’t sell more season passes by playing it this way?
I’ve been saying for years that Loveland is involved with the Rapture. Lots are full, nobody on the mountain. Bunch of shiny Subarus in the parking lot, too.
I bought my Double Down the day after they announced they were leaving VR in February. After talking with guest services it sounds like I'll be able to get my money back but was told I need to keep waiting for more magical benefits to appear that will hopefully change my mind.
They probably sold less. Why would you buy a pass till you know what group they’ll join? Unless you ski there more than a week.
Did anyone really believe they wouldn’t join some pass group? Except the great mass of outraged people who ski less than 7 days at Abasin, yet think they’re regulars.
How many have had an Abasin pass before? I’ve had 2-3, many spring ones, don’t live anywhere near the place, and only ski about 7 days there.
Why would it get a lot worse? Do you know if Ikon pass sales are up and if they're not stealing from resort pass and ticket sales? And do you know if this snow year will be as good as last year and what effect that may have? I think there are too many variables to be so negative.GMs from Aspen, Big Sky, and Jackson Hole all publicly pleaded with locals to be nice to Ikonics in the first season, so that’s all going to get (a lot) worse.
Why would it get a lot worse? Do you know if Ikon pass sales are up and if they're not streaming from resort pass and ticket sales? And do you know if this snow year will be as good as last year and what effect that may have? I think there are too many variables to be so negative.
But...there were 750,000 Epic Passes. Even if you add in the 150,000 MCP, we are still about 1/2 of Epic. Now take into consideration that those are global numbers only a percentage were in the Colorado Front Range. I would also venture to say the amount of Epic passes in the Front Range verses the amount if Ikon passes is a higher percentage compared to the global amount. I would also say the MCP is significantly lower because many of those are travelers. Do I think that someone will drive and get there at 10:00 and park in the front row on any given powder day? No, of course not. But I also don't think the bad days will be as bad as they were on Epic...but there will be bad days...just like any other resort.I’m not being negative. It’s just math. I have these conversations all the time at home - money is just math with a $ symbol. They don’t believe me, as if subtraction is optional.
Or in this case, multiplication.
Pick a really low number, like out of over 250,000 Ikon pass sales somehow the number one market of Colorado was only 50,000, and then multiply by 5. That’s 250,000 days, or about a thousand a day for the season, or pretty much every parking space at A-Basin on weekends since that’s when most people ski.
Now be realistic and use a number for the coming season that is quite a bit bigger than 50,000 and redo the math.
I’m not sure people understand that the goal of Alterra isn’t parity with Vail, it’s to be bigger and, given the investment pool, more profitable. Even though they aren’t corporate and whatnot.
All of that aside, here is a snapshot of Loveland’s season pass benefits:
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Something like this would have been super grin worthy for A-Basin season passholders, but want Loveland days, too, so **** them).
Problem is that once you are on the golden teat, you get a lot smaller once you are cut off unless you can feed yourself.
Again, not negativity - it’s the reality that none of these collective places can afford to pass up the revenue. The only way to keep adding resorts to the pass list without major price increases is to add passholders. Otherwise, it’s just diluting the pool or reducing margins.
Really hard for me to believe it will be on par with Epic hordes.
@nay I side with your line of thinking but you need to do yourself a favor and just stop.If you can go to a buffet and get unlimited or you can go and get 5-7 servings, but within a standard deviation no more than 5 servings is consumed, then so long as the number of eaters is equal, total consumption is more or less the same and “unlimited” just made you more likely to buy.
Now looking at the mountains on each pass, Epic and Ikon in Colorado probably won’t quite get to parity, but not far off either.
And so the food left at the buffet for stupid ass full paying customers like me as well as the length of the line to get to the buffet will more or less be the same in the unlimited vs. the 5-7 cap models, it just sounds different.
Problem is if you don’t have the 5-7 free coupon, buying four servings is the same price as unlimited, and that’s stupid, too, if you plan to eat there.
Marketing is really effective until people call bullshit and make their decision consciously.
I would also venture to say the amount of Epic passes in the Front Range verses the amount if Ikon passes is a higher percentage compared to the global amount.