Another cyclist killed

[KingGrump]

There are way more cars than bikes. Just relative numbers.

 

[James]

Looks like the cyclist can get it done all by themselves.

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/08/26/cyclist-pedestrian-collision-central-park/

People have to accept responsibility for their own actions.

The guy on the bike who didn’t want to mess his hair up with a helmet, wipes out and then is on his phone on the ground in the road snap chatting.

 

[tball]

Looks like the cyclist can get it done all by themselves.

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/08/26/cyclist-pedestrian-collision-central-park/

People have to accept responsibility for their own actions.

1. Yeah, that wasn't a bicycle in the initial crash.

2. What goes on in NYC is very different than what most of us experience.

 

[jmeb]

That "bicycle" has more horsepower than my Miata.

 

[James]

The dodo bird died out.

Cycling is going to get bigger and bigger in US cities. Whether grumpy people want it to or not.

It's the car that should die out in cities. In NYC alone drivers killed over 120 non-car drivers last year. Cyclists killed 2.

What do you mean by “NYC”? It’s more than Manhattan, the northern part of which has some significant hills.
Brooklyn alone has a population about 2.7 million, Queens 2.4 million. Combined both are over 200 sq miles. And we’ve still got the Bronx and the Rock, Staten Island. Those are about half the size of B&Q, which I would not have guessed before looking it up.

Before Michael Dukakis was riding n a tank there was Mayor Ed Koch on a bike:

Ed Koch rides at the grand opening of the Midtown protected bike lanes in October, 1980. Less than a month later he had them ripped out.
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2013/02...eper-look-at-ed-kochs-livable-streets-legacy/

 

[James]

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1. Yeah, that wasn't a bicycle in the initial crash.

2. What goes on in NYC is very different than what most of us experience.

1) It’s not a car, scooter, motorcycle.
2) Yeah, not so much.
Marin County:

Denver:

Canada:

 

[Rich McP]

Always love seeing reporters creating the same, or worse hazards with their reporting, when reporting on a hazard.

 

[markojp]

Getting bent out of shape about 17 vs 15 mph seems a little over the top. If the MUP is crowded, 15 can be too fast. If not, it's too slow. Riding straight, consistent, and predicably is IMHO for more important than 15 vs 18.... but drafting on MUPS at 20+, or being on aero bars is pretty-not-very-good-practice-downright-silly. In cars, let's be honest. How many of us habitually drive speed limit + 5 on most roads, and +10 on the highway? Anyhow....

 

[Rich McP]

Getting bent out of shape about 17 vs 15 mph seems a little over the top. .

And, that spot where he is using his gun...that is just after a descent. It goes back up just before that spot, but is more descent than ascent. Great reporting dude!

 

[markojp]

.. but the guys in the third vid in Richmond BC are being a$$hats. I've ridden that road many times. Easy to ride two abreast, shoulder to shoulder and give room for people to pass.

 

[François Pugh]

1) It’s not a car, scooter, motorcycle.
2) Yeah, not so much.
Marin County:

Denver:

Canada:

Guys in the third video are a$$holes who give bikers a bad name. Why aren't they being ticketed? They don't even seem to know they are in the wrong, and then they wonder why some driver's show animosity to them.

 

[oldschoolskier]

Lets be clear, I am a driver, a cyclist and a pedestrian.

The primary issue I see is as follows:

It slowest moving/most venerable object takes the least care in ensuring its own safety.

Pedestrians tend to assume bikes and cars will stop for them so they don’t look.

Cyclists tend to assume they are ok and cars can avoid them (its the law don’t you know) and pedestrians get in the way constantly because they’re to busy on their phones.

Drivers, well have to watch in all directions and are responsible for everyone errors.

I was taught a simple safety rule, if its bigger it wins even if you’re right, so don’t get in its way. Translation!

Pedestrians watch before you step, you lose in all encounters.

Cyclist respect pedestrians and cars! Don’t assume you are seen, remember 200lbs vs 4000lbs you lose.

Drivers respect all, drive to allow those behind you a chance to react, assume those ahead didn’t see you, make eye contact with all.

Its not speed that causes the issue but assumption the other will take responsibility to avoid the issue. Stop being a me generation, be a we generation so that we all watch and care for each other. The only this speed does is make it happen faster (good or bad).

BTW this applies skiing as well.

 

[markojp]

Cyclists tend to assume they are ok and cars can avoid them (its the law don’t you know) and pedestrians get in the way constantly because they’re to busy on their phones.

Yeah.... no. Not in any experience cycling I've had. There's no getting over the basic physics of car/cyclist collisions even if you're 'right'. I've never met a cyclist who would assume otherwise.

 

[markojp]

Why aren't they being ticketed?

No mountie, no stop.

 

[Rich McP]

From Merriam-Webster:
A$$hat noun
\ 'as-hat \
Any person who paints and individual, who is also a member of a group, as though all members of that group are alike.

Examples of a$$hat in a Sentence
// She was pissed at the gang of a$$hat cyclists were blocking the whole lane and were making her late to her spin class so she now hates all cyclists and doesn't give any focks if any of them get hit, maimed, killed.

This is when we get to a real problem.

 

[oldschoolskier]

Yeah.... no. Not in any experience cycling I've had. There's no getting over the basic physics of car/cyclist collisions even if you're 'right'. I've never met a cyclist who would assume otherwise.

It was a bit of sarcasm directed at all three to highlight the issues, not just at one.

To change your view a little, drive in Toronto you’ll be surprised how many (cyclists) act like they don’t grasp that concept. And yes to be fair there are bad drivers too.

 

[Erik Timmerman]

In that Mill Valley video, I feel like I'd have to go for a high score.

I don't know how they expect people without speedometers to obey a speed limit.

 

[François Pugh]

No mountie, no stop.

Yeah, I guess they are making too much money off speeding tickets to pull one (RCMP) off of radar duty and put him in an unmarked car. Easier to wait until a frustrated motorist takes out the group.

 

[Erik Timmerman]

"You are inconveniencing me, I will murder you!"

 

[markojp]

"You are inconveniencing me, I will murder you!"

That's the road hyperbole leads us.