I also went from 2016/17 to 2020 AXs.
The Turtle Shell tech stiffens up the ski as more force is applied (the analogy I have seen is interlacing fingers of two hands and pushing out) so you get a compliant ski when you are more easy going and a stiff ski when you put the pedal to the metal.
From 16/17 to 18/19 the ski changed the nose shaping for adaptive contact, the tail shaping for grip and and the wood in the core for a 250 gram weight loss.
How do you compare the Edge 88 to the Stormrider 88?
LindseyB - I have loved your contribution to this forum. I've just read a boatload from a few threads on the AX and AR. In Feb I demo'ed both for nearly a full day and was sold - I briefly reviewed them here: https://www.pugski.com/threads/2020-stöckli-laser-ar.17750/This is the PM I sent Tiki.
I wouldn't waste another year of your ski life not being on a Stöckli. Appease your budget and get the 85.
I don't feel that the difference between the 88 and 85 is noticeable enough to justify the higher cost if you can get a sweet deal on the closeout 85. Just make sure it is new and unused. Demoed skis are not likely to feel the same as what you found in the 88 as the demo shops usually put cheap tunes on the skis.
The 85 and 88 are very similar, almost identical in feel.
PM sentLindseyB - I have loved your contribution to this forum. I've just read a boatload from a few threads on the AX and AR. In Feb I demo'ed both for nearly a full day and was sold - I briefly reviewed them here: https://www.pugski.com/threads/2020-stöckli-laser-ar.17750/
Searching for feedback to make a final decision on AX vs AR. I loved both, I probably initially leaned toward the AX for it's energy. But loved both. I demo'd the 175 in both which on the beefier AR felt a tad too big as I felt I had to be ON all the time in that size. Perhaps the 168 would be better for me...
I've skied since a kid, but took many many years off to snowboard only. Now I pretty much only ski 30-50 days a year at Squaw, Alpine, Mammoth generally. I'm 42, very fit and like to ski aggressive. And, I'm only 5'7 and 140 lbs so my watt output naturally isn't the same as someone bigger. I've never owned a Stöckli, never raced, nor owned a ski under 90 underfoot. My daily driver is a playful Rustler 10 - replaced last year with Icelandic Pioneer 95. Also own a Rustler 11 for powder. Love to ski off piste, but the reality is there are so many days in Tahoe region where off piste is crap for most of the day and being on piste is a must unless you love to be beat up - which we try now and then anyway. This is where the AR or AX will fit for me. But which one? I told myself right before covid hit that whichever I can find a better deal on I'd buy . . .
Haha...good one. Yes, I'll start there!We recommend bindings and as far as placement, on the top of the skis. You are welcome. Follow me for other ski mounting suggestions.
You should definitely mount them so the toe is forward and the heel is toward the back. Usually one of each per ski.Haha...good one. Yes, I'll start there!
Point taken - I should be more specific around feedback on potentially forward mounting on the AR, like many recommend on the AX. Any experience here?
I waxed the two pairs of Edge 88's we bought. Very interesting thing I saw. The side edges have a very fine serration pattern to them. Easy to see with a magnifier. In fact when I was scraping wax off with a plastic scraper running it along the side edge and it sang, whistled.Previously the EDGE and SR were the same shape. The difference was in the wood and metal. The Edge being lighter. Both have excellent edge power, but of the two, the heavier SR is more damp.
The EDGE is designed for side country/touring, but is still a Stöckli and excellent on piste for those not particularly heavy or those not demanding the strength of it's heavier sibling.
Do you think a 180cm WRT ST would be even more fatiguing and less compliant than the Laser GS 180cm due to the world cup construction (even though the radius is a bit smaller and should be quicker edge to edge with the reduced width). Perhaps the 16m radius might help though (that's the radius I tend to prefer on skis for a versatile mix of long and short turns).Then you don't want a GS ski.