Drill 1 ski gate drill (video)

Discussion in 'Ski School' started by 4ster, May 7, 2018.

  1. 4ster

    4ster Now with more photos! Instructor

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2015
    Posts:
    1,453
    Location:
    Sierra & Wasatch
    I shot this video today with the intent of posting it in this thread
    https://www.pugski.com/threads/the-outside-ski-to-outside-ski-drill.4204/
    But apparently it is closed. Not a big deal though since it is really a 1-ski drill, not outside to outside.

    There was a group of US development team athletes training at Squaw today with a variety of gate drills & SL courses. I watched a bunch of them run this drill & no one made it look easy, it is difficult enough with 2 skis. This guy was the best I witnessed, pretty impressive...


    A few turns in the stubbie course


     
    1chris5, Swede, Magi and 3 others like this.
  2. whitefeathers

    whitefeathers Booting up Skier

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2018
    Posts:
    39
    Location:
    MN USA
    Wow...that looks super hard
     
    4ster likes this.
  3. dbostedo

    dbostedo Asst. Gathermeister--Big Sky Team Gathermeister

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2016
    Posts:
    1,898
    Location:
    Northern Virginia, USA
    Man... I tried simple 1 ski turns for the first time this year, and couldn't even complete one on my LTE. Suffice it to say I'm a long, long.... long way from being able to do anything near that.
     
    4ster likes this.
  4. Bad Bob

    Bad Bob old n' slow Skier

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2015
    Posts:
    996
    Location:
    in desert looking down at a river and up at MT's
    That is impressive in so many ways; edging , balance, leg strength .......
     
    4ster, Magi and tromano like this.
  5. Magi

    Magi Instructor Instructor

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2017
    Posts:
    296
    Location:
    Winter Park, Colorado
    Make sure your boots/footbed/alignment are set up correctly.

    Easy check - can you stand on your LTE in not ski boots.
    Then do it static in ski boots.
    Then try it in motion.

    If you can do it in step 1, but not 2 or 3, you may have an alignment problem.
     
    4ster likes this.


  6. Mike King

    Mike King AKA Habacomike Instructor

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2015
    Posts:
    723
    Location:
    Louisville CO/Aspen Snowmass
    A lot of the 5 th fundamental there: regulate the magnitude of pressure caused by the ski/snow interface...
     
    4ster and Magi like this.
  7. Seldomski

    Seldomski Paralysis by analysis Skier

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2017
    Posts:
    354
    Are any of those one-footed turns brushed?
    :snowball:
     
    dbostedo likes this.
  8. Thread Starter
    TS
    4ster

    4ster Now with more photos! Instructor

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2015
    Posts:
    1,453
    Location:
    Sierra & Wasatch
    I don’t know about brushed but I wouldn’t call them carved. More like pivoted with some counter rotation, a solid edge set & some arm swing for added visual dance effect.
     
    LiquidFeet likes this.
  9. BGreen

    BGreen Out on the slopes Skier

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2016
    Posts:
    481
    Location:
    Colorado
    It’s a picket fence drill. Emphasis is on tempo and quickness. Space between brushes is 1.5-4m. You can’t carve a 3m turn.
     
    Swede and Muleski like this.
  10. Magi

    Magi Instructor Instructor

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2017
    Posts:
    296
    Location:
    Winter Park, Colorado
    Not with *that* attitude. ogwink:roflmao:
     
  11. Doby Man

    Doby Man Out on the slopes Skier

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2017
    Posts:
    310
    Location:
    Mostly New England


    Wasn't there recently a resounding claim that it is supposedly impossible to make a skidded turn using only one fulcrum? Well, one ski and no poles is as "one fulcrum" as you can get and this guy is doing it (on video). Though technically, and the reason why it is possible is that a foot in a ski boot has multiple pressure points with which to create leverage in a manner that may not technically qualify as a single "fulcrum".
     
    LiquidFeet and Steve like this.
  12. Thread Starter
    TS
    4ster

    4ster Now with more photos! Instructor

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2015
    Posts:
    1,453
    Location:
    Sierra & Wasatch
    Yup^
     
  13. oldschoolskier

    oldschoolskier Out on the slopes Skier

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2015
    Posts:
    1,362
    Location:
    Ontario Canada
    Early 90’s I did a drill with a top instructor at Sunshine on a Black run, that just looked like a Blue because it was so wide and smooth and it just rolled into a steep section.

    Inside ski turn in a starfish. Yes starfish, arms and legs out balancing on downhill ski only and carve the turn (yes on straight skis) at about 40+mph out of about 12, 8 tried it only three of us got 6 turns in (the 3 included the instructor).

    Commitment, timing and balance. Miss one and you crash and burn.

    One of the most difficult drills I have ever done.
     
  14. Magi

    Magi Instructor Instructor

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2017
    Posts:
    296
    Location:
    Winter Park, Colorado
    So I was reminded of a Ron LeMaster presentation where he talks about achieving minimum radius carved turns... I looked it up and he says that a 13m slalom ski at a 65 degree angle makes about a 5.5m radius turn - and makes a 4.5m turn at 70 degrees. I think it might actually be possible to carve a 3m turn if you can achieve about an 80-85 degree edge angle on a 13m ski. (Linking those turns is an entirely different beast...)

    Now I need a 13m slalom ski... :doh:
     
  15. Thread Starter
    TS
    4ster

    4ster Now with more photos! Instructor

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2015
    Posts:
    1,453
    Location:
    Sierra & Wasatch
    For this drill yes, but everyone should at least have a pair. ogwink
     
    Steve likes this.
  16. Magi

    Magi Instructor Instructor

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2017
    Posts:
    296
    Location:
    Winter Park, Colorado
    :golfclap:
     
  17. François Pugh

    François Pugh Out on the slopes Skier

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2015
    Posts:
    1,710
    Location:
    Great White North (Eastern side currently)
    Head Rebels World Cup i. SL (not the RD): Radius: 11.5 m @ 165 cm . Just say'n.
     
  18. François Pugh

    François Pugh Out on the slopes Skier

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2015
    Posts:
    1,710
    Location:
    Great White North (Eastern side currently)
    Yes, but I think Josh was just trying to complete his video collection without having to go out and film it himself.ogwink
    BTW there are at least two contact points between the boot and the ski - front binding and rear binding.
     
  19. skier

    skier Putting on skis Skier

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2018
    Posts:
    90
    The person in the video is able to rotate his foot by using counter rotation with his upper body. As long as the slope is slippery enough, the ski can rotate. If the slope is too sticky then the upper body will rotate instead of the ski. In this particular video, he's adding in some hop for each turn or up unweighting which makes it easier to rotate the ski without it getting stuck. It's obvious that someone can do a jump turn on one ski, though I don't think that's what Mr. Matta was questioning. The only difference between rotating the ski in the air versus rotating on the snow is that the snow provides more resistance. With the right slippery surface, there's no reason someone couldn't rotate their ski standing on one leg. But, if this skier was in a couple of inches of heavy snow, then the only way he could do the same drill is if he jumped for each turn. So, is it possible to brush a turn on one ski without jumping? And the answer is that it depends on the slope, and that could be the issue with Mr. Matta's conundrum. It very well could have been that on the days he was attempting to do one legged brushed turns without jumping, the conditions weren't right for it.
    Another way to brush the turn on just one ski, mentioned before, is to pressure the cuff to have the ski tip dig in while the tails are light, then the tails can spin around the tip. But that also isn't going to work too well in sticky conditions. Perhaps the best method to do a brushed turn is to use a combination of cuff pressure and rotation which may be true for normal two legged skiing as well.
     

Share This Page


  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice